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Will An English Born Manager Ever Win The League Again?

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It'll be 30 years next year, since Howard Wilkinson led Leeds to the final ever old division 1 championship. He remains to date, the last english born manager to win the league title. Of course it's been 36 years, since the late great Howard Kendall was the last english born manager, to win a european trophy with an english club side.

So in the last 30 years, continental managers have become the in vogue thing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all. The english game is all the better imo, for exposure to different footballing philosophies and cultures. But will we ever see an english born manager, win a league or european trophy again?
 
We excelled in the days we were allowed to have English football on soggy pitches. Since the media told us all to love the slow passionless tippy tappy of the transient overseas duving mercenaries on flat, dry predictable pitches we've lost our way.

I'm waiting patiently for the bubble to burst and real togger returns. Come back Mike Basset!
 

English coaching is woeful under The FA, only have to see Lampard and how out of his depth he was.

If I was a Chairman of a top English club who has the chance to win things under a big budget I'd never hire a English Manager until I saw he'd shown he was tactically proven, shown he could do it in Europe competition and actually won things.

If not you just get coaches at the level of BFS, Bruce, Hughes, Warnock, Pulis etc who have stealing a living coaching the same Dinosaur English FA methods, those I listed have been a blight on the English game for two decades with their backwards methods.

Martin O'Neill who'd won thing both sides of the border football and the most successful Manager after Fergie this century, but his Football was horrible and unimaginable to watch, now he seems to be lost to the game at the highest level.
 
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English coaching is woeful under The FA, only have to see Lampard and how out of his depth he was.

If I was a Chairman of a top English club who has the chance to win things under a big budget I'd never hire a English Manager until I saw he'd shown he was tactically proven, shown he could do it in Europe competition and actually won things.

If not you just get coaches at the level of BFS, Bruce, Hughes, Warnock, Pulis etc who have stealing a living coaching the same Dinosaur English FA methods, those I listed have been a blight on the English game for two decades with their backwards methods.
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Its the modern English way - "everyone do it THIS way. By the book. Don't question it or think for yourself. Obey your overlords!

And with that evaporates any uniqueness, resourcefulness, innovation, unpredictability or greatness. Instead we get bland vanilla thats easily counteracted by anyone else who's also read the myopic one dimensional book.
 
chrismpw said:
Its the modern English way - "everyone do it THIS way. By the book. Don't question it or think for yourself. Obey your overlords!

And with that evaporates any uniqueness, resourcefulness, innovation, unpredictability or greatness. Instead we get bland vanilla thats easily counteracted by anyone else who's also read the myopic one dimensional book.
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I forgot to mention Roy Hodgson.

A staunch Disciple of the Charles Hughes FA coaching manual from the 1970's that set coaching at grassroots level in England to the dark ages, where the mantra was to get the ball in opposition penalty area as quick as possible in as less passes as you could.

Bobby Robson and Terry Venables the best English national coaches since Alf Ramsay both had a outward look on Football, modern and progressive and The old farts of The FA couldn't wait to get rid of them.

How the great Brian Clough was ignored by The FA for the England job shows how In the dark ages Football was in the 70's and 80's.

Clough, Paisley, Kendall the best English Coaches the last 50 years would never have been in the conversation at The FA for the England job, they were light years ahead in coaching and how the game should be played.
 
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I forgot to mention Roy Hodgson.

A staunch Disciple of the Charles Hughes FA coachingmanual from the 1970's that set coaching at grassroots level in England to the dark ages, where the mantra was to get the ball in opposition penalty area as quick as possible in as less passes as you could.
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SAF rated him. And the new United manager has a model that is to have a shot 8 seconds after winning the ball back.

Kinda the same thing. Of course, Howard had peak Everton sides doing that years before anyone else did. Power, pace, resilient defence. Lob in a more than decent keeper, and bingo.
 
EverTheOptimist said:
I forgot to mention Roy Hodgson.

A staunch Disciple of the Charles Hughes FA coaching manual from the 1970's that set coaching at grassroots level in England to the dark ages, where the mantra was to get the ball in opposition penalty area as quick as possible in as less passes as you could.

Bobby Robson and Terry Venables the best English national coaches since Alf Ramsay both had a outward look on Football, modern and progressive and The old farts of The FA couldn't wait to get rid of them.

How the great Brian Clough was ignored by The FA for the England job shows how In the dark ages Football was in the 70's and 80's.

Clough, Paisley, Kendall the best English Coaches the last 50 years would never have been in the conversation at The FA for the England job, they were light years ahead in coaching and how the game should be played.
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Brian Clough had his own ideas and opinions. This went diametrically opposed to the English way I've just described so it no surprise to me. It was a crying shame.
 

England have had some of the top managers in world football, managing some of the top talent in the world, for the national team and won nothing as well remember.

Whereas Germany and France ( off the top of my head ) have had their own people win big tournaments.

It’s an odd one, I will give you that.
 
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Its the modern English way - "everyone do it THIS way. By the book. Don't question it or think for yourself. Obey your overlords!

And with that evaporates any uniqueness, resourcefulness, innovation, unpredictability or greatness. Instead we get bland vanilla thats easily counteracted by anyone else who's also read the myopic one dimensional book.
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Autocratic management, it's the Vince Lombardi method. It can be highly successful in team sports but it can also be highly problematic.
 
Simon Buttle said:
Autocratic management, it's the Vince Lombardi method. It can be highly successful in team sports but it can also be highly problematic.
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Its the simplest, easiest, laziest way. And it works if the right person does it. Its mediocre at best if its not the right person, which us mist if the time, because the mind is closed and they stubbornly pursue their own readable, predictable ideas, listening to nobody else.
 

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