Yannick Bolasie

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Tubey said:
Yes, and we paid it, and it's my view that we paid beyond his value to bring in a signing that was available after missing out on other targets like Witsel.

Once we sold Stones, we had to have a signing to counter-balance the loss, and Bolasie was there if the fee was met. Just because we signed him for £30m doesn't mean he was comparatively worth £30m - it just means we were prepared to pay it at the time.

Let me put it this way - if the RS paid £30m for Bolasie, we'd be laughing at them. Again, anyone who says otherwise is obviously lying, because not one single person valued Bolasie at £30m prior to us signing him.

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I agree 30 mil is a hell of a lot for Bolasie and way over priced....but if thats the Price that the selling club wants and we want the player then what else can we do?

Walk away from the deal and be left to pay over the odds for someone else elsewhere?

Although i agree that before he signed I wouldnt have valued him anywhere near that high, the way he has started his Everton career has showed hes definitely got a lot to offer. More than a lesser player who we could have bought for 15 million would have offered.

In todays market every player is overpriced regardless (Gueye aside)
 

Tubey said:
It's called opinion. Everyone has one.

You'd be hard pressed to find a single Evertonian, prior to us being linked to him and subsequently signing him, who would have said £30m for Bolasie is good business. People are lying if they say any different.

The willing buyer, willing seller argument is also stupid. MK Dons could be "willing" to pay 50p for Messi; that doesn't mean its' his valuation.
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That's why he put in the "willing seller" part.
 
Arteta10 said:
I agree 30 mil is a hell of a lot for Bolasie and way over priced....but if thats the Price that the selling club wants and we want the player then what else can we do?

Walk away from the deal and be left to pay over the odds for someone else elsewhere?

Although i agree that before he signed I wouldnt have valued him anywhere near that high, the way he has started his Everton career has showed hes definitely got a lot to offer. More than a lesser player who we could have bought for 15 million would have offered.

In todays market every player is overpriced regardless (Gueye aside)
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No mate. If we wanted him, pay the money. And we did.

What I'm objecting to is this idea that Bolasie was widely valued at £30m at the time of him signing. He wasn't. We overpaid. That's not saying I don't rate him (I think he's average personally but he's had a good start) - all I'm saying is that we overpaid when we signed him given what should have been his market value, which I think common consensus would say is around £20m max.

It's like when the RS have paid £30m+ for Carroll. That wasn't his market value; what it was was the fee that was agreed for the player, with the buying club paying well over the odds for the player due to good negotiation from the selling club. Same with Sissoko - he's not a £30m player, but the buying club panicked and paid it as the selling club held firm to a ridiculous valuation.

So to sum up what I'm saying - the price a player goes for is not necessarily his widely accepted valuation. Therefore, a fan thinking we overpaid for a player isn't unjustified in doing so just because that's the price the player actually went for.
 

Tubey said:
Because overpaying for one player means less money for others, unless you have an owner bankrolling you so that mistakes in the market don't matter. The "it's not our money anyway" argument is ridiculous - we're fans of the football club.

£30m on Bolasie means that we couldn't spend the £10m we overpaid on him elsewhere.
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Less money for what others? We didnt get outbid for a single player this summer, so clearly the owner doesnt care and neither should you, cos it really isnt your money.
 
RFUS said:
We didn't pay £30m. Was more like £25m.

A lot but bloody he'll move on you utter cretins. It's paid, he's played for us and looks good.
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The way I see it is we are very solid defensively. One very dubious goal conceded and a combined total of 3 shots on target in our last 3 games is testament to that.

But we are also very exciting going forward and Bolasie is a massive part of that. Teams are going to find us very difficult to cope with. Let's just enjoy it guys. Forget the cost. It doesn't matter.:)
 
Tubey said:
OK, Everton could be "willing" to sell Niasse for £300m. That doesn't mean it's his publicly viewed valuation.

Works both ways.
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You have given a lot of reasons why you believe what you do, but not one of them is anything but your unfounded opinion. The fact that you're sure you're right does not actually constitute proof -- in fact, given that it's the only evidence you have, I'd say the opposite is true. As for "none of us though he was worth 30 million". Okay, but so what? None of us really know jack about what players are worth. Most didn't think Gueye was worth 7 million.

I bet lots of teams would have paid 30 for Bolasie, and I bet if we wanted to sell him in January we'd get even more. If that doesn't convince you, I'll try your technique: If you say it's not true, then you're obviously lying. There, now do you agree?
 
Arteta10 said:
I agree 30 mil is a hell of a lot for Bolasie and way over priced....but if thats the Price that the selling club wants and we want the player then what else can we do?

Walk away from the deal and be left to pay over the odds for someone else elsewhere?

Although i agree that before he signed I wouldnt have valued him anywhere near that high, the way he has started his Everton career has showed hes definitely got a lot to offer. More than a lesser player who we could have bought for 15 million would have offered.

In todays market every player is overpriced regardless (Gueye aside)
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Steakburger and Williams weren't overpriced either.
 
Tubey said:
OK, Everton could be "willing" to sell Niasse for £300m. That doesn't mean it's his publicly viewed valuation.

Works both ways.
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I would explain what "willing buyer willing seller" means because you so obviously don't get that concept, but for the fact that English is not my first language and I fear I lack the required nous to succinctly make my point.
 

zirc said:
Steakburger and Williams weren't overpriced either.
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I think you could argue Williams was a Little bit overpriced considering his age.

Not that I'm bothered about it like, im made up we've got him at the club the Price is irrelevant

Stek looks a bargain
 
in todays market £30m is decent, compare it to the other £25/£30m movers in the summer Sissoko, Winjanham, Benteke, Luiz then we have gotten decent deal. The estimate of £15m would seem ridiculously expensive if it had been said 10 years ago and in 10 years time £30m would be considered a snip if it keeps going the way it is.
End of the day Everton have gotten themselves a fantastic player who has the crowd excited....the singing at half time by the whole concourse in the GS queuing up for beer/food is evidence of that
 
He's going to frustrate the hell out of me this season. I just hope the good days outnumber the games like today.

I know the transfer market is ridiculous at the moment but I'm still uneasy we spent 30 million quid on this guy.
 

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