6 + 2 Point Deductions

So to sum up, they are now participating in double jeopardy, charging us twice for building a stadium and not for sporting advantage, doing so over different years, and doing all punishments in the same year. An absolute farce but we knew this anyway.
Double jeopardy means you can't be charged with an offence you have already been found not guilty of. We haven't been found not guilty of breaching PSR.

The Independent panel's report made it clear we did gain a sporting advantage. If the original punishment had occurred last season then we would have been relegated, would have then breached EFL rules, and would almost certainly have gone into administration.
 
I'm confused how Chelsea with nearly £1billion spend on transfers in the past 2 seasons have managed to stay in profit
Just better at cooking the books than we are.. someone said it a while back that if every teams financial figures were gone through with a fine tooth comb like ours were every club would have questions to answer.
 
So according to reports the club have admitted their guilt and then told the fans they are not guilty. We are an absolute laughing stock.

I dont think its a matter of "guilt" there are no clear guidelines for what is appropriate punishment. That is the ultimate issue here. if you look at the EFL, there are clear guidelines on the punishment if a club breaches the financial rules, everyone operating inside the EFL knows what they are. The Premier League need to do something similar, if they dont there will always be this back and forth with clubs.
It is compounded by the fact that other clubs, like Man City and Chelsea have clearly breached the Profit and Sustainability rules as well and will face no punishment at all
 

To build out further on the arguments presented up-thread about the stupidity of the rolling 3-year period without including provisions for preventing double jeopardy:

Let's say you have a period of years as so:

Year one: break even
Year two: £5 million profit
Year three: something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason - £200 million loss
You get punished at the end of year three because of the 3-year cycle being high above the allowed £105 million losses. Ok, fine.

Year four: despite your likely points deduction, you somehow manage a miracle and post a £20 million profit
Your reward: a second punishment, because you've still lost more than £105 million total in years 2+3+4

Year five: again, despite another points deduction, you somehow manage another miracle and post a £25 million profit
Congratulations! A third punishment, because year 3 is still on the books (3+4+5 this time) and your last two years of profits haven't been substantial enough to cover the one year of massive loss.

So, five year cycle - three draconian punishments for the same single year's offense when you lost nothing the other four years. This scenario is entirely plausible, and is at least akin to the situation we are now in (though not with profits for ourselves but only smaller losses).

Yes but the crux was down to a minor accounting error based on loans we allocating to a different "bank account".

We have a very good case, which makes the fact we have now twice admitted guilt unforgivable.
Exactly right. And in addition, given the absurdity of the system in place as outlined above, if we can't come up with a good enough team of lawyers to challenge the whole kit and caboodle, or if we don't have the stomach to even try...then the club deserves everything coming to it and we fans should feel no remorse if we decide to wash our hands of the whole thing.
 
But the first punishment should have been last year and we would have gone down. Holding it over means we are at risk of a double punishment if found guilty.
The first punishment shouldnt have happened, because the league refused to allow our stadium development costs, then deemed it "unlikely to happen" so wouldnt allow us to do deduct what every other team building a stadium did, forcing us to sign a special agreement with them several years back about our future finances, which then they deemed our stadium financing costs(again, not sporting, not players) to run foul of that and punished us.

I have no lover for Moshiri and Kenwright and their incompetence, but again, this goes back to when we were first developing the stadium, and then they are just making up the rules secretly ever month so NO one could have predicted any of this. They can make up a new rule now that says no appeals allowed this season, they will start next season.
 
Forest signed 43 players! Half of whom the manager didn't want. Similar to us the owner brought in a load of players on silly wages. They deserve their charge, which is why it was so galling they were calling us cheats when we played them.
I don't agree with their charge at all. They made recruitment mistakes and signed too many players, but they absolutely do not deserve a points deductions for that. They put together a side that earned safety on the pitch, that's what matters. Or at least that's what used to matter in football.
 

To build out further on the arguments presented up-thread about the stupidity of the rolling 3-year period without including provisions for preventing double jeopardy:

Let's say you have a period of years as so:

Year one: break even
Year two: £5 million profit
Year three: something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason - £200 million loss
You get punished at the end of year three because of the 3-year cycle being high above the allowed £105 million losses. Ok, fine.

Year four: despite your likely points deduction, you somehow manage a miracle and post a £20 million profit
Your reward: a second punishment, because you've still lost more than £105 million total in years 2+3+4

Year five: again, despite another points deduction, you somehow manage another miracle and post a £25 million profit
Congratulations! A third punishment, because year 3 is still on the books (3+4+5 this time) and your last two years of profits haven't been substantial enough to cover the one year of massive loss.

So, five year cycle - three draconian punishments for the same single year's offense. This scenario is entirely plausible, and is at least akin to the situation we are now in (though not with profits for ourselves but only smaller losses).


Exactly right. An in addition, given the absurdity of the system in place as outlined above, if we can't come up with a good enough team of lawyers to challenge the whole kit and caboodle, or if we don't have the stomach to even try...then the club deserves everything coming to it and we fans should feel no remorse if we decide to wash our hands of the whole thing.

of the course the club will try and fight it ffs
 
Double jeopardy means you can't be charged with an offence you have already been found not guilty of. We haven't been found not guilty of breaching PSR.

The Independent panel's report made it clear we did gain a sporting advantage. If the original punishment had occurred last season then we would have been relegated, would have then breached EFL rules, and would almost certainly have gone into administration.
No, double jeopardy means being charged for the same thing twice. If you must come onto our forum and troll us,at least get your facts right.
 

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