Should we be concerned about Newcastle winning the thingy-cup?

Are you arsed about Newcastle winning a trophy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 5.2%

  • No

    Votes: 218 94.8%
  • Total voters
    230

Can’t help but feel meh about the whole season. There is only really us, West Ham, Wolves and the bottom 3 with nothing realistically going on/to play for and we’re only in mid March. Everyone else is either in the hunt for a trophy or at least a Euro Spot. All a bit dull.
 
I dislike Newcastle intently, the supporters I’ve met are arrogant and delusional.
Radio commentary during the match said there was a ‘special bond’ between Liverpool and Newcastle fans (yes, both are entitled cultists with a justified level of vitriol against them by everyone else)
I have no opinion about being owned by Saudi Arabia mainly because I’ve always been puzzled by the argument about why that’s wrong yet 99% of trade is acceptable. Including arms.
Also we’re now owned by a firm based in Texas. Not sure anything connected with America is a good look this year. Seriously.

But God I was so glad they beat Liverpool.
 

barneygumble said:
As much as I hate Newcastle; they (and Villa) have had their pants pulled down by the PL.

The last domestic trophy won by a non-"top 6" side was Leicester in 2021.

Since then every final has been congested by a "Top 6" club.

League cup, since Swansea won in 2013, there have only been 5 non "top 6" clubs who've competed in a final (Sunderland, Southampton, Villa & Newcastle x 2).

The FA Cup is exactly the same.

5 finalists who've not been part of the "Top 6" (Crystal Palace, Hull Aston Villa, Leicester & Watford).

Modern football is absolutely on it'd arse in England. So as much as I hate Newcastle, I hate the monopoly the big sides have had, and I can't stand them.

So worried? Maybe? Jealous? Absolutely? Hopeful that maybe we can have a run one year? That's what I clutch to.
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Newcastle, as well as West Ham when they won the Conference League, have provided us with a blueprint for winning trophies.

I mostly agree with what you have said, although I would like to add that Newcastle are a club backed by the Saudi Arabian public investment fund (PIF), with undeniable links to the Saudi state. We cannot rely on that sort of financial backing, however, which highlights the need for a salary cap to serve as a buffer for ridiculous spending. Whilst we obviously have difficulty competing with the so-called top six, let's not forget about the massive spending power of Newcastle. They could easily replace somebody like Man Utd in that group of clubs.

What we need to do now is follow their lead and hope for the best. They have benefitted from bringing in high quality players in crucial areas of the pitch - think of Isak and Guimaraes - who have high re-sale value. We ought to be jealous of them, whilst also recognising our own potential with a new stadium on the horizon, whilst being backed by new ownership.

It has been far too long since we last won a trophy, so I would take the league cup everyday of the week and would in no way diminish it as a "Mickey Mouse" trophy. In reality, it has been one of the pillars of English football since the 1960s, and I am desperate for us to win at least one in my lifetime. Having said that, I'd take any major trophy on offer to us.
 
9LeagueTitles5FACups said:
Newcastle, as well as West Ham when they won the Conference League, have provided us with a blueprint for winning trophies.

I mostly agree with what you have said, although I would like to add that Newcastle are a club backed by the Saudi Arabian public investment fund (PIF), with undeniable links to the Saudi state. We cannot rely on that sort of financial backing, however, which highlights the need for a salary cap to serve as a buffer for ridiculous spending. Whilst we obviously have difficulty competing with the so-called top six, let's not forget about the massive spending power of Newcastle. They could easily replace somebody like Man Utd in that group of clubs.

What we need to do now is follow their lead and hope for the best. They have benefitted from bringing in high quality players in crucial areas of the pitch - think of Isak and Guimaraes - who have high re-sale value. We ought to be jealous of them, whilst also recognising our own potential with a new stadium on the horizon, whilst being backed by new ownership.

It has been far too long since we last won a trophy, so I would take the league cup everyday of the week and would in no way diminish it as a "Mickey Mouse" trophy. In reality, it has been one of the pillars of English football since the 1960s, and I am desperate for us to win at least one in my lifetime. Having said that, I'd take any major trophy on offer to us.
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Whilst we haven't got the wealth; whilst there is a cap, we can spend the same as them (theoretically).

Newcastle can spend what they like, but they've still had to do dodgy deals and sell players like Almiron, Minteh to the tune of £50m this year.

But you're definitely right re. Signings. If we can get the right infrastructure in place, the right people calling the shots we can quickly climb the table with good signings, as long as United, Spurs, Chelsea ail; there's a window, but we need to get it right.

I don't consider the League Cup to be Mickey Mouse. Win that, and you get a crack at a very winnable European trip.

By no means am I deluded, I'm just trying to see positives in the fact we're coming out of a very dark era.
 
barneygumble said:
Doesn't matter how far they're bankrolled, when they're not allowed to spend the money though, does it?

Football has been ruined for years, and irs never recovered from the greedy 6 trying to break away.

It's why I follow non-League, as you know. But whilst Newcastle winning a trophy may give them encouragement to win more, I'm hoping g if anything it shows our owners the cartel can be broken.
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Teams being bought and run by actual countries is a much bigger problem than anything the premier league has done.
 

Chegsy said:
Should be used as inspiration for any aspiring board and team.

Doubt Newcastle fans are thinking about what Everton fans think right now.
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Less than four years ago they were being managed by Steve Bruce who lead them to 0 wins in first 10 games before being sacked. Their 11 was generally mediocre aside from Wilson and Saint-Maximn. Fabian Schar was just a sub back then. Had full back as poor as what this club has now past the halfway line.

So things can come together quickly if you get many things right in a short space of time.

As great as Moyes has done since returning he isn't going to be the manager for next five years like Howe generally has been so already this club need to be identifying that profile and keeping tabs and ready to make a move at perhaps end of next season.

Newcastle also spend a huge amount in that first year and all the big signings have come off spectacularly. Pope-Trippier-Botman-Bruno Guimaraes-Isak. Some spine. Their issue is PSR stopping them adding so they've stagnated in the league around 6th/7th.

Will be some transfer windows for the new owners to come up with anything like that. Would be another 3/4 signings even better than Ndiaye so it's a big ask but you never know.

At least it feels building blocks for the club to have a comfortable mid table season with perhaps a good cup run are now in place just with Moyes being around.
 
I hate this idea that the League Cup is a nothing trophy. That whole opinion fully buys into the idea that the rest of us are only there to make up the numbers while the real clubs fight it out for the Champions League and league title. It's one of 3 competitions in the country, and one of two that is actually realistic to most clubs.

It's a crazy big 4 focused idea that it should mean nothing, and that attitude will eventually lead to it being gone, and there being only 2 trophies that can be won, so even less chance of it happening for most clubs.
 
knowing your history said:
Newcastle also spend a huge amount in that first year and all the big signings have come off spectacularly. Pope-Trippier-Botman-Bruno Guimaraes-Isak. Some spine. Their issue is PSR stopping them adding so they've stagnated in the league around 6th/7th.
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They're a good example of how you have to get the football side of things right, you have to pick the right manager and the overall footballing structure needs to be set up to identify the right players.

As they learnt from us on what not to do, we now need to learn from them about what TO do. We'll have one shot at spending money again, and we need to make sure every "big" signing has a Guimaraes or Isak level of impact if we want to have a hope of going anywhere near the ambitions of the fans and the club as a whole. We also need to make sure that the cheaper signings are shrewd like Tripper was and can make a big impact even if it's only relatively short term.

We've seen what happens when you throw money around randomly without the proper structure in place to make sure the players coming in are what we need.
 

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