Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

blueboy72 · Monday at 5:05 PM

catcherintherye said:
Fair enough mate. I think the issue is that the way accounts are presented and the picture today are different.

Once July comes, we will have a lot more wriggle room, for a variety of reasons mate.

This season was always going to be very tight.

And 80% wages is pretty good really, considering it’s was in the 90’s not that long ago, high earners dropping and all
The new revenue, it could be in the high 60% area in 2yrs

blueboy72 · Monday at 5:18 PM

EFC_FRANCIS said:
Once July comes it looks better. Getting to July looks the very worryingly bleak part. We are replacing a 44 million loss in July. This year had a 50 million loss with 44 mil of player sales.

I cannot see how we get to compliance without a big sale as we only have, so far, Onanas profit offsetting Ndiaye and Obrien purchases unless they've kept a lot of the accounting tricks back for the year. But the horse has already bolted for this 3 year window, it may look better under TFG but they will still be paying for the sins of Moshiri.

Seems to be following the same recipe from the past few years to me, big sale in June. Purchases in July. That to me is selling to buy.

But this 180mil 3 yr figure is not the final figure for PSR, once you add deductions. I haven’t a clue how all that works,
But some seem to think we will be fine. And the 24/25 accounts O’Brien and Ndiaye would have cost us about 7 mil while Onana would have been Roughly 33mil profit

If we sell someone for 20mil and then spend 100mil, that’s not sell to buy

Zatara · Monday at 5:18 PM

Eggs said:
….this time last year, it was Gnonto on repeat. This year it’s Rigg, Wharton, Delap and Dibling.

I think you’ve made the point let’s just see what happens in the real world.

I'm confident that I said many times Wharton should be signed over the past 4 transfer windows.

Also quite confident you prefer to post about how;

"I live near XXX player. We're neighbours".

"I am drinking rum"

"Football for dummies"

This is a TRANSFER THREAD.

Perhaps watch some football and post about players you want the club to sign in this thread?

Or, dont...I really dont care...unless you reply to me or add repeated emojis to seek attention.

Zzzzz rum, footballers as neighbours zzzz

Zatara · Monday at 5:21 PM

blueboy72 said:
But this 180mil 3 yr figure is not the final figure for PSR, once you add deductions. I haven’t a clue how all that works,
But some seem to think we will be fine. And the 24/25 accounts O’Brien and Ndiaye would have cost us about 7 mil while Onana would have been Roughly 33mil profit

If we sell someone for 20mil and then spend 100mil, that’s not sell to buy

Agreed. The only headache we have is if we sell Beto for e.g £20mil then how much "PSR profit" is there to spend?

Wont be £100mil even with signings on 5 year deals due to us still having his purchase on our books.

catcherintherye · Monday at 5:23 PM

EFC_FRANCIS said:
I'm aware they're separate but also conscious that Everton keep telling us how much we definitely aren't in any trouble only for July to come around and we're engaging in dodgy swap deals and selling off assets. As late as January they were insisting there was money to be spent and of course there was not.

Fool me once and all that. I'd like to see one definitive good financial year before I say we're out of the woods. Fwiw i have us at about 45 mill loss, so not impossible but also less than your 60. Though id like to think you are right. I'm not calling TFG skint, I just don't think they will be able to spend in the current rules, and may require one final big sale to get us compliant and clear of that monster loss.

I mean I wouldn't listen to clubs output too much, but looking at the numbers, the situation changes massively on July. I think we are very tight on PSR, but ok. The fact they said we would be ok even without the interest in our favour, kind of underlines that for me.

If you have us at 45m loss,.with circa 35 ish coming off for PSR stuff, then we are probably just the right side of it (by about 15 million).

In terms of crude numbers, we will have a 62m PSR loss, this years loss (53m translated to PSR at around 18m. So we are at -80m.

The business roughly loses 100m p/a pre player trading, so around 65m PSR ish pre player trading. We need that to be under 25m.

However, we made circa 30m profit Onana so that gets us from -65m to -35m. I have amortisation/loan costs at around 15m but around 10m is saved amortisation payments on Onana/Godfrey who leave, so -5m has us at -40m. Wages I think to up 10m so -50m.

There was some increased sponsorships of circa 10-15m this year so that is -35/40m. The big one is the debt restructuring, which is around 55m p/a saved, so up to the end of June will be circa 30m saved, getting us to around a -10m. Even if those numbers are 5m off each, it's a -20 and we are still ok, just.

What I don't see, is a world where we need like a 50m profit. It's also worth adding in, the Psr deductions may be higher than the typical 35m as we are now allowed stadium interest, which again would give us more challenges.

I think we are probably looking at a PSR loss of 10-20m with the upper figure having us around 100m loss over 3 years. It's very close, and is probably why there was just no wriggle room in January.

catcherintherye · Monday at 5:24 PM

blueboy72 said:
But this 180mil 3 yr figure is not the final figure for PSR, once you add deductions. I haven’t a clue how all that works,
But some seem to think we will be fine. And the 24/25 accounts O’Brien and Ndiaye would have cost us about 7 mil while Onana would have been Roughly 33mil profit

If we sell someone for 20mil and then spend 100mil, that’s not sell to buy

That's true, and you generally take off circa 35m a year. So 180m is a -75m over 3 years. I don't think we are that good, but I think we are below the 105m.

Goat · Monday at 5:27 PM

Manager : David Moyes

Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford
João Virgínia
Asmir Begović

Right Backs
New RB
Nathan Patterson

Left Backs
New LB
Vitaliy Mykolenko

Centre Backs
Jarrad Branthwaite
James Tarkowski
Jake O'Brien
New CB

Midfield
New CM
Idrissa Gueye
James Garner
Tim Iroegbunam
Carlos Alcaraz
Iliman Ndiaye

Wide Forwards
New LW
New RW
Dwight McNeil (HG)

Strikers
New ST
Youssef Chermiti (UA)
Beto

I would :

Retain both GKs
Give new contract to Gana
Purchase Charly
Acquire new starting LB
Acquire new starting RB
Acquire 4th choice CB
Acquire new CM
Acquire new starting LW
Acquire new starting RW
Acquire new starting ST

Realise I dont have enough money and then throw 200k a week at DCL.

Amokachi1995 · Monday at 5:34 PM

Goat said:
Manager : David Moyes

Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford
João Virgínia
Asmir Begović

Right Backs
New RB
Nathan Patterson

Left Backs
New LB
Vitaliy Mykolenko

Centre Backs
Jarrad Branthwaite
James Tarkowski
Jake O'Brien
New CB

Midfield
New CM
Idrissa Gueye
James Garner
Tim Iroegbunam
Carlos Alcaraz
Iliman Ndiaye

Wide Forwards
New LW
New RW
Dwight McNeil (HG)

Strikers
New ST
Youssef Chermiti (UA)
Beto

I would :

Retain both GKs
Give new contract to Gana
Purchase Charly
Acquire new starting LB
Acquire new starting RB
Acquire 4th choice CB
Acquire new CM
Acquire new starting LW
Acquire new starting RW
Acquire new starting ST

Realise I dont have enough money and then throw 200k a week at DCL.

Agree with all that (except maybe the last bit) but I'd class Ndiaye as a wide forward so we might not need a starting LW.

blueboy72 · Monday at 5:34 PM

Zatara said:
Agreed. The only headache we have is if we sell Beto for e.g £20mil then how much "PSR profit" is there to spend?

Wont be £100mil even with signings on 5 year deals due to us still having his purchase on our books.

But we’d be selling to cover 24/25 and buying for 25/26. I think 100mil = 20mil on 5yr deals is easily doable.
I’m sure we will find out in the next few weeks the figures and what we need to do before June 30th and go from there.

Goat · Monday at 5:36 PM

Amokachi1995 said:
Agree with all that (except maybe the last bit) but I'd class Ndiaye as a wide forward so we might not need a starting LW.

Yes, we have Indy and Charly that could both play "wide".

But we need numbers in the squad.

The above would leave us with a 23 player squad, we could bulk it up with Armstrong and maybe a few other yoot, but I think its foolish to leave ourselves short on numbers.

Amokachi1995 · Monday at 5:38 PM

Goat said:
Yes, we have Indy and Charly that could both play "wide".

But we need numbers in the squad.

The above would leave us with a 23 player squad, we could bulk it up with Armstrong and maybe a few other yoot, but I think its foolish to leave ourselves short on numbers.

Definitely need the numbers and I agree with your positions. I just reckon at least one of the wingers and maybe fullbacks might be in loan/squad filler territory.

Bryan+ · Monday at 5:39 PM

Zatara said:
I'm confident that I said many times Wharton should be signed over the past 4 transfer windows.

Also quite confident you prefer to post about how;

"I live near XXX player. We're neighbours".

"I am drinking rum"

"Football for dummies"

This is a TRANSFER THREAD.

Perhaps watch some football and post about players you want the club to sign in this thread?

Or, dont...I really dont care...unless you reply to me or add repeated emojis to seek attention.

Zzzzz rum, footballers as neighbours zzzz

Playing the ref, reported.

Goat · Monday at 5:39 PM

Amokachi1995 said:
Definitely need the numbers and I agree with your positions. I just reckon at least one of the wingers and maybe fullbacks might be in loan/squad filler territory.

Well we certainly aint buying the 12 new players we need.

We will use the loan market, possibly some frees also.

We defo aint buying 12 new bangers.

Dwight K Schrute · Monday at 5:52 PM

Zatara said:
I'm confident that I said many times Wharton should be signed over the past 4 transfer windows.

Also quite confident you prefer to post about how;

"I live near XXX player. We're neighbours".

"I am drinking rum"

"Football for dummies"

This is a TRANSFER THREAD.

Perhaps watch some football and post about players you want the club to sign in this thread?

Or, dont...I really dont care...unless you reply to me or add repeated emojis to seek attention.

Zzzzz rum, footballers as neighbours zzzz

Okay. I'll post some players I'd like us to sign:
Andy Diouf
Chris Rigg
Niklas Kühn
Luca Netz
Habib Diarra
Emanuel Emegha
Nick Woltemade
Dennis Cirkin
Richard Rios
Rocco Reitz
Julien Duranville

There were go!!

Mr Happy · Monday at 5:56 PM

Dwight K Schrute said:
Okay. I'll post some players I'd like us to sign:
Andy Diouf
Chris Rigg
Niklas Kühn
Luca Netz
Habib Diarra
Emanuel Emegha
Nick Woltemade
Dennis Cirkin
Richard Rios
Rocco Reitz
Julien Duranville

There were go!!