There were a couple under Moyes & Martínez aswell. We got further in the competition then but ultimately embarrassed ourselves.
From memory under Moyes it never really hurt us, there were a few bad seasons, but we had bad seasons under Moyes even without Europa, Martinez proved that it wasnt Europa that hurt us, more his shocking managing.
But yeah, im not dismissing the impact starting the season in June has on the players, its a long slog, but as I say with the correct group of players and a sensible manager its achievable.