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davek · Sunday at 10:57 AM

hallamblue said:
Only because the bottom 3 have barely picked up a point between them. Hindsight is 20/20. Dyche had lost his way, he admits it himself. It was the right decision to part company with him, regardless of the fact that the bottom 3 clubs have been so horrendous that we would probably still have stayed up.

Yes, it was best all round he left when he did.

But the reality is we were helped to safety by Dyche in his first one and a half seasons, and he left us free of the relegation zone with about a 70% chance of survival this season...as it turned out that was almost 100% certain we'd survive in retrospect.

He was brought in here to stabilise us and steer us to safety until something better turned up. Mission accomplished. I think every right minded Evertonian sees that.

davek · Sunday at 10:59 AM

Marcus Kendall said:
It's irrelevant Davek as Dyche wanted out himself so everyone has got what they wished for. Move on Davek as there's no point looking back

I've moved on. I'm just responding to the posters who's heads Dyche is running round and doing somersaults in.

hallamblue · Sunday at 1:06 PM

davek said:
Yes, it was best all round he left when he did.

But the reality is we were helped to safety by Dyche in his first one and a half seasons, and he left us free of the relegation zone with about a 70% chance of survival this season...as it turned out that was almost 100% certain we'd survive in retrospect.

He was brought in here to stabilise us and steer us to safety until something better turned up. Mission accomplished. I think every right minded Evertonian sees that.

Absolutely, he kept us up that first season when many managers wouldn't have done, and galvanised the club during a terrible time with 2 points deductions. However, playing attritional football like we did grinds players down and they just didn't want to do it anymore, and he had lost his mojo so it's worked out best for all parties.

GrandOldSte117 · Sunday at 1:25 PM

MikeH72 said:
I like reading discussion about our Talksport hosting snot rubbing Thatcher loving former overlord mate.

Is it discussion to spam the same jokes about snots and radio?

Saint Domingo · Sunday at 1:30 PM

Ultimately after we’d lost to Bournemouth and West Ham, sold Gordon, bought no one, and were 19th in the table in Jan 23 with Arsenal next. At that exact moment, if you’d been offered to stay up that season, get 48 points the next season and survive two points deductions, then transfer to new owners the season after with the club 1 point outside the relegation zone with a game in hand, every single one of you would have taken it, every single one, zero questions asked.

So have some class and thank your gaffer for delivering it.

#thankYOURgaffer

canuckblue · Sunday at 1:37 PM

Saint Domingo said:
Ultimately after we’d lost to Bournemouth and West Ham, sold Gordon, bought no one, and were 19th in the table in Jan 23 with Arsenal next. At that exact moment, if you’d been offered to stay up that season, get 48 points the next season and survive two points deductions, then transfer to new owners the season after with the club 1 point outside the relegation zone with a game in hand, every single one of you would have taken it, every single one, zero questions asked.

So have some class and thank your gaffer for delivering it.

#thankYOURgaffer

SD licking SD. Fitting, somehow.

crusade · Sunday at 1:40 PM

Lost twice at home to Luton

Saint Domingo · Sunday at 1:41 PM

canuckblue said:
SD licking SD. Fitting, somehow.

In Jan 23 if you were offered what was ultimately delivered would you have taken it right then? Yes or no?

canuckblue · Sunday at 1:44 PM

Of course, but that's the beauty of the gift of hindsight, no?

Saint Domingo · Sunday at 1:56 PM

canuckblue said:
Of course, but that's the beauty of the gift of hindsight, no?

That’s changing expectations as conditions change though. Ultimately we bough him in on a 2 and a half year deal to keep the club in the PL and get us to new owners. Job done. If anyone had started mentioning football style or pushing on for Europe in January 23 they would have rightfully been laughed out the building. We’re now a completely different prospect and those discussions can occur but this shouldn’t be projected backwards. Jan 23 was as bleak as it gets for most Evertonians in the prem era which is why a lot of them are grateful to Dyche for pulling this club out the mire.

It’s why I’ve got no time for criticisms about playing style, press conference remarks, x player not liking him etc. it pales into complete nothingness next to what he did to keep us up and avoid Armageddon. He could take a whizz on the Dixie Dean statue for all I’m concerned, it would be irrelevant. We now are looking at the very real prospect of absolutely supercharging the club and rejoining the elite. If he’d not done his job we’d be looking at fire sales and administration.

blueboy72 · Sunday at 2:00 PM

Saint Domingo said:
In Jan 23 if you were offered what was ultimately delivered would you have taken it right then? Yes or no

He did a good job in 23, though he got quite lucky, the fact a couple of teams finished worse than us. But he kept picking Keane and left Mina on the bench,
While we kept conceding and he was so lucky Leicester missed a penalty or we would have gone.

23/24 the bottom 3 were so poor, 100’s of managers would have kept us up, even With the deductions

Saint Domingo · Sunday at 2:02 PM

blueboy72 said:
He did a good job in 23, though he got quite lucky, the fact a couple of teams finished worse than us. But he kept picking Keane and left Mina on the bench,
While we kept conceding and he was so lucky Leicester missed a penalty or we would have gone.

23/24 the bottom 3 were so poor, 100’s of managers would have kept us up, even With the deductions

Would you have taken the end result if it was offered in January 23? Yes or no?

blueboy72 · Sunday at 2:03 PM

Saint Domingo said:
Would you have taken the end result if it was offered in January 23? Yes or no?

Only to may 23, I would have shook his hand then and moved on.
Ultimately he went backwards,
That’s what will always happen, when your whole philosophy is toss of a coin football

Saint Domingo · Sunday at 2:08 PM

blueboy72 said:
Only to may 23, I would have shook his hand then and moved on.

But the deal is in Jan 23 you’re offered the chance to be sat outside the relegation zone in Jan 25 with a game in hand and new owners taking you over. You’d have 100% taken and don’t pretend you wouldn’t have. Everyone would have. I’d have given every pound to my name to be in this position at that time. You wouldn’t have stopped to caveat it with ‘oh but in May 23 if I’m not happy I’d like to a spin the wheel again on a new manager even though there’s a 10 point deduction in the pipeline and we can’t even afford to change manager whether I want to or not’

Can moan about the details of how he did it from this place of safety after the fact but big picture at the time every one would have taken the survival of the club that was delivered by Dyche.

canuckblue · Sunday at 2:13 PM

Saint Domingo said:
That’s changing expectations as conditions change though. Ultimately we bough him in on a 2 and a half year deal to keep the club in the PL and get us to new owners. Job done. If anyone had started mentioning football style or pushing on for Europe in January 23 they would have rightfully been laughed out the building. We’re now a completely different prospect and those discussions can occur but this shouldn’t be projected backwards. Jan 23 was as bleak as it gets for most Evertonians in the prem era which is why a lot of them are grateful to Dyche for pulling this club out the mire.

It’s why I’ve got no time for criticisms about playing style, press conference remarks, x player not liking him etc. it pales into complete nothingness next to what he did to keep us up and avoid Armageddon. He could take a whizz on the Dixie Dean statue for all I’m concerned, it would be irrelevant. We now are looking at the very real prospect of absolutely supercharging the club and rejoining the elite. If he’d not done his job we’d be looking at fire sales and administration.

And if we still had him we could very well be looking at the same things. There's no way anyone could have said with 100% certainty that we would have stayed up had he remained as we were a point above the drop zone with a game in hand (albeit against the league leaders) when he left. No one and I mean no one, could have been certain that Leicester or Ipswich wouldn't go on a run good enough to relegate us. Anyone who says they knew that for certain is either lying or deluded.
As for the points deduction season, it wasn't any "seeing the light" change in tactics or motivational speeches by Dyche that kept us up, in my view. This club has always had the ability to put a siege mentality to good use, and the supporters did the heavy emotional lifting there and the players fed off that.
As it turned out, the squad was good enough to finish mid-table without the deductions. Yet the same squad wasn't just flirting with relegation this season, it was actively courting it thanks to Snot Dome (hey, another SD!) That's because setting your team up not to lose only works for so long, so your hero was only delaying the inevitable.
Worship him all you want. You're usually one of the soundest posters on this forum, so I can respect your views, even if I don't share them.