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[blueboy72]

But the deal is in Jan 23 you’re offered the chance to be sat outside the relegation zone in Jan 25 with a game in hand and new owners taking you over. You’d have 100% taken and don’t pretend you wouldn’t have. Everyone would have. I’d have given every pound to my name to be in this position at that time. You wouldn’t have stopped to caveat it with ‘oh but in May 23 if I’m not happy I’d like to a spin the wheel again on a new manager even though there’s a 10 point deduction in the pipeline and we can’t even afford to change manager whether I want to or not’

Can moan about the details of how he did it from this place of safety after the fact but big picture at the time every one would have taken the survival of the club that was delivered by Dyche.

No I wouldn’t mate
Because who’s happy being 17th in January after being 12th. the season before, no fan would have taken that and would have wanted him removed asap.
Not talked about him taking us into BMD and how he was some miracle worker.

If Moyes gets up mid table in 25/26 and in the summer he comes out with next season is just about survival, then he will get the same treatment , makes no difference what’s happening behind the scenes, your mentality doesn’t change. That’s why he was at Burnley for 10yrs and his next club will be of similar standing. He had once chance at a top club and blew it

 

[Tommy Chong]

I've moved on. I'm just responding to the posters who's heads Dyche is running round and doing somersaults in.

Not at all, Dave... We've all moved on, it seems.

I can only speak for myself, but Dyche was 'in my head' for precisely 10 seconds earlier today, when I saw the title of the thread: 'Dyche Thinks'.
I assumed it was a paradox, or some sort of enigma, because as we all know, when it comes to thinking, Dyche isn't exactly... Well, you know.

But as I began reading through the posts, the fog surrounding my perplexity began to dissipate, as I quickly realised there is no intricacy when the subject is Sean.

 

[Saint Domingo]

And if we still had him we could very well be looking at the same things. There's no way anyone could have said with 100% certainty that we would have stayed up had he remained as we were a point above the drop zone with a game in hand (albeit against the league leaders) when he left. No one and I mean no one, could have been certain that Leicester or Ipswich wouldn't go on a run good enough to relegate us. Anyone who says they knew that for certain is either lying or deluded.
As for the points deduction season, it wasn't any "seeing the light" change in tactics or motivational speeches by Dyche that kept us up, in my view. This club has always had the ability to put a siege mentality to good use, and the supporters did the heavy emotional lifting there and the players fed off that.
As it turned out, the squad was good enough to finish mid-table without the deductions. Yet the same squad wasn't just flirting with relegation this season, it was actively courting it thanks to Snot Dome (hey, another SD!) That's because setting your team up not to lose only works for so long, so your hero was only delaying the inevitable.
Worship him all you want. You're usually one of the soundest posters on this forum, so I can respect your views, even if I don't share them.

Seems like hindsight isn’t allowed when discussing this season but it’s perfectly fine for previous seasons. Bit of a double standard but we will agree to disagree.

 

[Delargeinho]

Absolutely, he kept us up that first season when many managers wouldn't have done, and galvanised the club during a terrible time with 2 points deductions. However, playing attritional football like we did grinds players down and they just didn't want to do it anymore, and he had lost his mojo so it's worked out best for all parties.

I think a lot of interviews in the last few weeks between the lines confirmed that they were fed up and didn't get coached much under the Dyche.

 

[Saint Domingo]

No I wouldn’t mate
Because who’s happy being 17th in January after being 12th. the season before, no fan would have taken that and would have wanted him removed asap.
Not talked about him taking us into BMD and how he was some miracle worker.

If Moyes gets up mid table in 25/26 and in the summer he comes out with next season is just about survival, then he will get the same treatment , makes no difference what’s happening behind the scenes, your mentality doesn’t change. That’s why he was at Burnley for 10yrs and his next club will be of similar standing. He had once chance at a top club and blew it

You’re completely ignoring context. Everton before and after the ownership change is an entirely different set of circumstances.

So in January 23, 19th in the table, just been beaten 2-0 by West Ham, Gordon sold, someone offers you being a PL club in 2025 under new ownership and you say no, not if it means us dropping from 12th one year to 17th the January after (with a game in hand). You’d have been in the minority of one.

 

[davek]

Not at all, Dave... We've all moved on, it seems.

I can only speak for myself, but Dyche was 'in my head' for precisely 10 seconds earlier today, when I saw the title of the thread: 'Dyche Thinks'.
I assumed it was a paradox, or some sort of enigma, because as we all know, when it comes to thinking, Dyche isn't exactly... Well, you know.

But as I began reading through the posts, the fog surrounding my perplexity began to dissipate, as I quickly realised there is no intricacy when the subject is Sean.

Yeah, it sounds like it too.

 

[davek]

Absolutely, he kept us up that first season when many managers wouldn't have done, and galvanised the club during a terrible time with 2 points deductions. However, playing attritional football like we did grinds players down and they just didn't want to do it anymore, and he had lost his mojo so it's worked out best for all parties.

If he'd had a couple of functioning CFs it'd have been a different story.

 

[Gilbert..]

If he'd had a couple of functioning CFs it'd have been a different story.

Why has Moyes doubled the goal tally in a few weeks with the same CF options?
Dyches teams have never ever scored goals. Thats living in fantasy land Dave.

 

[MACCA75]

Jeez is this thread still going?

His legacy is keeping us up in difficult circumstances with appalling football. Was punted when the results inevitably matched the dreadful football.

The end.

 

[blueboy72]

You’re completely ignoring context. Everton before and after the ownership change is an entirely different set of circumstances.

So in January 23, 19th in the table, just been beaten 2-0 by West Ham, Gordon sold, someone offers you being a PL club in 2025 under new ownership and you say no, not if it means us dropping from 12th one year to 17th the January after (with a game in hand). You’d have been in the minority of one.

This is about a manager, who set us up to survive and that has a very short shelf life.
I never thought we’d go
Down in 23/24 or 25, we haven’t been relegated in 70yrs we have some decent players and the 3 that come up are always miles off. I maybe in the minority, but so are the other way, even on this horrendous run going back over 12 months you wanted him to stay and had stayed and won a few games and got us 15th. You would have been banging the dyche drum all summer.

It’s all about narrative and dyche has a narrative that he saves teams from certain relegation, big Sam had the same and some of our fans believe big Sam saved us as well, when after his first game we were 9. We were in more danger when Carlo came in. But you never hear Carlo saved us.

 

[canuckblue]

Seems like hindsight isn’t allowed when discussing this season but it’s perfectly fine for previous seasons. Bit of a double standard but we will agree to disagree.

Seeing as this season isn’t over, it's not hindsight. We were in definite danger, no two ways about it. Now we aren't.

 

[Saint Domingo]

This is about a manager, who set us up to survive and that has a very short shelf life.
I never thought we’d go
Down in 23/24 or 25, we haven’t been relegated in 70yrs we have some decent players and the 3 that come up are always miles off. I maybe in the minority, but so are the other way, even on this horrendous run going back over 12 months you wanted him to stay and had stayed and won a few games and got us 15th. You would have been banging the dyche drum all summer.

It’s all about narrative and dyche has a narrative that he saves teams from certain relegation, big Sam had the same and some of our fans believe big Sam saved us as well, when after his first game we were 9. We were in more danger when Carlo came in. But you never hear Carlo saved us.

I wanted him gone at the new owners discretion as soon as the takeover was completed. It was never about Dyche, it was about the bigger picture of stability at Everton. Whilst Moshiri’s reign of utter incompetence carried on though, having a manager that the players knew was staying and couldn’t be unseated (because we had no money) was a benefit. It then turned into the players having to play for their future under Dyche at the club rather than beforehand players at Everton just phoned it in whenever they wanted a new manager, they just stopped running and would walk about leaking goals and jumping out of tackles. That never happened under Dyche.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Seeing as this season isn’t over, it's not hindsight. We were in definite danger, no two ways about it. Now we aren't.

If someone is making an argument that Dyche didn’t do a good job because the three teams below us were rubbish in 24/25 ‘anyone could have kept us up’ then they can’t then make the same argument that we were definitely going down this season because we didn’t know at the time that the 3 teams below wouldn’t put on a winning run.

You can’t base an argument around hindsight one minute and then pretend it doesn’t exist the next. It’s either or. If you believe we were going down this season, fine, I didn’t, and results since have proven we probably wouldn’t have. I did think we were going down in Jan 23 and I would have given anything for us not to, and if you’d said at the time we’d have an 8 point deduction the season after I would have said it would have been very difficult to stay up that season too. There and then I would have gladly signed ip for what Dyche ended up delivering. It’s therefore a bit rich, in my opinion only, to be complaining after the fact about the quality of the outcome when every one of us at one point was praying for this outcome before Dyche arrived.

PL club going into the new stadium with new owners, FFP troubles behind us, reduced debt and money for transfers is where we all wanted to be and now we’re here. I haven’t really got the energy to moan about how the bloke who took us there from the lows of Jan 23 did it. Some have, fair enough.

 

[Blue peter]

Anyone who thinks he didn’t do a professional job in his first half a season is kidding themselves as we were going down under Frank, no doubt in my mind but and despite a torrid winless run last year achieving 48 points was decent.

Anyone who thinks he was doing all he could with the players at his is also kidding themselves and I think Moyes has shown that. Let’s agree to disagree, and lock the thread because it’s boring seeing this at the of the top of thread list (yes I know the irony of me posting keeps is there).

It’s past the point now where this thread is less about Dyche but more about one on one internet battles.

 

[Tommy Chong]

Yeah, it sounds like it too.

Dave, we've got bigger fish to fry, then concerning ourselves with our bald ginger ex.

In 72 hours, we'll be marching straight into the centre of Mordor to take on the horde of RS orcs.
In all honesty though, Dave, if you really want to honour our predecessor, here's a thought:

THE ROYAL DYCHE

Located just a goal-kick away from Turf Moor, match days at The Royal Dyche are the best place to be for all Clarets fans! A great place to watch all live sports, with multiple screens indoor and outdoor, including an outdoor projector. We are a wet-led free house supplying a wide selection of

www.theroyaldyche.com

Contact the owner of the Royal Dyche in Burnley, and inquire about opening up a franchise up in Liverpool.
One on the docks right near the new stadium would be perfect, mate! If you hurry, you can get one opened up just in time for the new season:

Sean would love that, mate! A shrine to his underwhelming and disappointing legacy of mediocrity.
Fans will love walking past that for every home game on their way to BMD.