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Missed all that so far.

It is, ultimately. As a reference point in the history books. But not winning something as an Evertonian is not a precursor to not being an outstanding player. Or an icon. (still not quite sure how you qualify) for that) And the opposite is true. Lyons, Latchford, Thomas, Wood, King, woven...

Agree. But I dont subscribe to your view that the definitive measure is a trophy. A trophy will elevate an Ok player to a status beyond his talent, but a talented player without a pot does not equate him to being less of a lesser player, or contributor to our rich history. Bob Latchford will...

Was going use him as an example, but as you say, he was passing though. Never an Evertonian. But if he had stayed, scored 30 to 40 goals every season for 5 years, and we didnt win any pots, he would be remembered as an outstanding player. And neither did Mike Lyons. Not many on here would say...

Maybe, well we obviously do, have a different view of what makes an outstanding footballer. (And for the record, I have a massive soft spot for Bailey cos I saw him score one goal for Bristol City against Bristol Rovers, many moons ago. He was loved). And yeah, a great team is more than the sum...

Fair enough, internet bubble chat mate. But you did say that John Bailey was an outstanding left back, and Baines is not. Because Bailey was lucky enough to be signed by Lee, then given games by HK when he won the league. Probably the FA Cup as well. By that reckoning, Phil Neville is...

You said John Bailey was better cos he happened to play in a successful side.

He is mince apparently cos Everton havnt won anything with him in the team. Y'know, like Lyons, Latchford, Thomas, King, Wood.

Its Leftbacktastic tonight mate.

Them comments about letting Rom have the pens is interesting. (Hasnt mentioned the Kev one!)