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The 4 seasons before Martinez they were a solid midtable side, with the exception of their second season when they only stayed up on the final day after season where the squad that won promotion to the PL and finished 10th was ripped apart. The 4 seasons after they got worse and worse, going to...

And days later they were relegated

Osman v Larissa was far far better

They'll learn mate, gotta eat humble pie sometimes. Happy for him that he's come away with something from this World Cup

Cheers pal, here's hoping Marco can bring that good feeling back

Might be harder for some mate

Look I've never wanted to see the back of a manager more by the end but it killed me because that first season showed how good things could have been if he'd just tweaked one or two things at difficult times. The man clearly took the club to his heart, and I've been sarcastic about his record...

Oh by all means he was going to stay on even if they had lost, they will be expected to be topping group 2 in League A of the Nations League with view to winning the Final 4 and qualify comfortably for Euro 2020 depending on who they draw, which won't be known till December

Sarcasm Corky, not a knock

I think its the quality of opposition he's come up against tbh. Southgate's record is pretty impressive too (12 unbeaten before the Belgium game, only 3 defeats in 17) but like Martinez had games against lesser opposition to pad it out.

Yes they did, but failed to beat Spain, Russia, Mexico, Netherlands and Portugal with as strong a team as they put out tonight

Heck of an achievement considering the only team of note he's beaten in that run is a second string England

What does he win for that?

I'll say, last night was the first time he'd beaten a nation in the top 20 of the world rankings.