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6 + 2 Point Deductions

smileychap said:
I think it goes something like this 'hopefully' (as a worst case):

- 10pt deduction -avoid relegtion thanks to Dyche getting a tune from our squad
- Pay 100-120m to relegated clubs and avoid administation owing to player sales (Pickford, Onana, Branthwaite over the next 2 windows maybe 125m)
- Club sale completes - hurray, clean slate
- 2024-25 - we're into BMD! Somehow Dyche has to keep us in up 2024-25 without the lads above.
And when he does I hope he's recognised as one of our most 'successful' manager's of all time
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Can see something like we keep the 10 point deduction, clubs given the green light to sue us so we end up selling Branthwaite, Onana and Pickford, then 777 sell the stadium and we end up as paying tenants for the next 100 years.

If we get relegated too then that might very well be the end of Everton FC.
 
The binman chronicles said:
They'll change the rules next year saying 'the mistakes we learned from the Everton case showed that we were effectively increasing the chance of a club going out of business' or such like and any future penalty will be a fine of some sort and/or transfer ban. Guarantee it.
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At which point we could sue them if they admitted they'd made mistakes with us, which means they wouldn't do that.

They may very well change the rules, but there would be no acceptance of wrongdoing on their behalf.
 
The binman chronicles said:
They'll change the rules next year saying 'the mistakes we learned from the Everton case showed that we were effectively increasing the chance of a club going out of business' or such like and any future penalty will be a fine of some sort and/or transfer ban. Guarantee it.
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I’d wager we’ll be the only club ever punished by a points deduction by the P&S rules. They’ll change them to suit the big teams as they do every other rule and they’ll go the same way as the diving panel did.
 
brieverton said:
Amidst all the fuss in the media about our "spending," just for context and even though it isn't relevant to the commission's findings, I'd like to know the net spend under Moshiri. There was only one splurge in Koemans first window in 2016. The idea that we've been continuously profigate is misleading and inaccurate. There were concerns expressed here in the summer when Kieran Maguire proclaimed us guilty on national radio and it's this general narrative that feeds into a misconception that the club has burned money each and every window since 2016.
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Net spend has not been the major issue for us, it's been our wage bill. For a good few seasons we had the highest wages to turnover ratio and at one point is was 93%

We have lived beyond our means and for a while Moshiri was pumping money into the accounts to prolong this.

That money has now dried up and we are back to loaning money based on future TV payments.

We can boycott sponsors and call the premier league corrupt but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame.

When we goto the appeal we need to change tact and drop all the excuses and stop playing the victim card or we could end up getting it increased to 12 points.
 
Saint Domingo said:
I’d wager we’ll be the only club ever punished by a points deduction by the P&S rules. They’ll change them to suit the big teams as they do every other rule and they’ll go the same way as the diving panel did.
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So what you're saying is we should break the rules again after this inevitable rule change? Ultimate chess move and the biggest middle finger we could give.
 

Can people stop peddling the myth the report says we didnt gain a sporting advantage. Read the report instead of spouting nonsense. The report said we DID gain a sporting advantage as we overspent, that is inferred BY the overspending.

We are run by iditots doing idiot things and we got caught. Our so called "accountant" owner got caught doing dodgy accountant things. It didnt work. Do i think some of the mitigation should have been taken into account? Yes i do, its ludicrus that some of it wasn't. We are guilty, we admitted as such. What is harsh is the level of penalty and thats the only thing we can realisticly appeal on. Are other clubs doing the same thing? I don't doubt it, we are the first to be caught doing it (Another first!)

Years ago it was said that the game would be run by the bean counters and now we have reached that stage where sporting issues arent resolved on the pitch they are resolved in commissions and in accounts. It a ridiculous situation that someone (our rich owner as they pointed out in the report) can't use his own money to pay debts if he wishes and get punished for not bieng able to. It's like HMRC give you a tax bill, you have the money but they refuse to accpet it and decide to send you to jail anyway because they can (very simplistic i know but its the same thing essentially)

Whilst i am confident this will be lowered on appeal, as a fanbase we need to be more together now than we have ever been, we can't control who runs and owns us but we CAN control the support we give the players every time they cross that white line.

We can do this and we WILL do this!
 
ashwuk76 said:
Can people stop peddling the myth the report says we didnt gain a sporting advantage. Read the report instead of spouting nonsense. The report said we DID gain a sporting advantage as we overspent, that is inferred BY the overspending.

We are run by iditots doing idiot things and we got caught. Our so called "accountant" owner got caught doing dodgy accountant things. It didnt work. Do i think some of the mitigation should have been taken into account? Yes i do, its ludicrus that some of it wasn't. We are guilty, we admitted as such. What is harsh is the level of penalty and thats the only thing we can realisticly appeal on. Are other clubs doing the same thing? I don't doubt it, we are the first to be caught doing it (Another first!)

Years ago it was said that the game would be run by the bean counters and now we have reached that stage where sporting issues arent resolved on the pitch they are resolved in commissions and in accounts. It a ridiculous situation that someone (our rich owner as they pointed out in the report) can't use his own money to pay debts if he wishes and get punished for not bieng able to. It's like HMRC give you a tax bill, you have the money but they refuse to accpet it and decide to send you to jail anyway because they can (very simplistic i know but its the same thing essentially)

Whilst i am confident this will be lowered on appeal, as a fanbase we need to be more together now than we have ever been, we can't control who runs and owns us but we CAN control the support we give the players every time they cross that white line.

We can do this and we WILL do this!
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Lol.
 
Moomin said:
Net spend has not been the major issue for us, it's been our wage bill. For a good few seasons we had the highest wages to turnover ratio and at one point is was 93%

We have lived beyond our means and for a while Moshiri was pumping money into the accounts to prolong this.

That money has now dried up and we are back to loaning money based on future TV payments.

We can boycott sponsors and call the premier league corrupt but at the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame.

When we goto the appeal we need to change tact and drop all the excuses and stop playing the victim card or we could end up getting it increased to 12 points.
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We won't get an increase in points by appealing. Who told you that?

In any case the issue here is the severity of the punishment.
 

davek said:
"it's inferred" by the report? Should't a report document explicitly SAY we gained a sporting advantage?

Clueless.
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did i say it was inferred by the report? read the report. You are clueless yourself. The report says that when you overspend a sporting advantage is inferred. Whether in reality we got one or not.

now whos clueless.
 
davek said:
We won't get an increase in points by appealing. Who told you that?

In any case the issue here is the severity of the punishment.
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They can adjust the punishment either way. The stories from the other week even suggested the Premier League wanted a 12 point deduction.

That is why at the appeal we need to change tact and focus on the work we have done the previous seasons instead of offering up the " Dog ate my homework " excuses that got thrown out at the commision.
 
These corrupt gets have been stung by the criticism over the points deduction, so, in addition to Northcroft and Joyce's planted pieces we'll likely see come more client journalists used by the PL this week in the run up to the United game, because they want to take the sting out of any corruption protests that'll embarrass them in front of a global audience.

Be ready for these articles, they will come.
 
ashwuk76 said:
did i say it was inferred by the report? read the report. You are clueless yourself. The report says that when you overspend a sporting advantage is inferred. Whether in reality we got one or not.

now whos clueless.
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So that's even worse. They state they can only infer a sporting advantage and cant find one.

Question: do you work for the PL by any chance?
 

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