2015 post UK election discussion

[marty mcfly]

My mates missus cheated on him, kicked him out the house which she refuses to now sell, so he has to fund his own new flat and the CSA are finishing him off.. He's in a bad way tbh..

I've never had a girl cheat on me, well not that I know.

I just think people need to both protect themselves and plan for the future especially if things go wrong along with not thinking the government should play a huge role in our lives.

By all means government should regulate but people need to be responsible. If you allow people to act irresponsible they do.

However there's not acting responsibly and paralyzed by fear of things going wrong that prevents you ever doing anything.

 

[marty mcfly]

A great many family break ups of course happen due to money problems just as they do cos 1 partner has wandered. When families break up due to money issues ..... i'll take a wild guess at 99.9% being lack of money btw..... then there's not enough cash to support 1 household, its the bloke that has to leave the family home the vast majority of the time and mostly at the womans request, he then has to find somewhere to live and attempt to support 2 households. Happened to mate of mine recently and he'd lost his decent paid job and all that was available paid way less (his wifes a teacher) which wasnt enough in her eyes and the relationship started to go downhill, he ended up in some tip of a 1 room flat that he could only just afford and at the same time was having to work all kinds of hours to survive. He quite simply didnt have anything left over to give to her, she had her teachers salary and tax credits though but he was cast as a feckless father by many who wasnt supporting his kids. I saw his 'finances' and he was having to do the taxi's on a friday and saturday to be able to get anywhere near break even .....i.e. be able to afford food & heating in winter.
A minimum wage job with a £30+ fuel bill to get there doesn't go a long way in any situation.

In that instance I don't understand why people just don't jack in their jobs entirely until their ex wives are reasonable. You can't get blood out of a stone.

 

[daylightrobber]

I've never had a girl cheat on me, well not that I know.

I just think people need to both protect themselves and plan for the future especially if things go wrong along with not thinking the government should play a huge role in our lives.

By all means government should regulate but people need to be responsible. If you allow people to act irresponsible they do.

However there's not acting responsibly and paralyzed by fear of things going wrong that prevents you ever doing anything.

Damn right they do. They fiddle their taxes so that the rest of us have to pick up the bill. They manipulate the banking system to suit their needs and not the needs of the people who's money they play fast and loose with. They exploit workers for their own financial gain.

Keep looking in the wrong direction fella and it'll pass you by.

 

[edge]

Well, except not at all.

it is in the case of divorce ,deffo at the time of mine if the child was under 9 it was deemed to be to young to express an opinion, and as such stayed with the mother, unless she was a danger to them ,ie you had called the police out to protect them, house went 3 ways third you kids and her. with no looking into who had paid what , i had paid every bill and owned everything in the place except a lamp, if anything was bought for the use of the house that was hers as well, but if you were still paying for it well guess what the debt was yours.
I got ripped off trying to fight for the kids, could have been told at the beginning and saved myself a lot of time and money, only because a friend put me wise to it did it end, i just thought well i am never going to take anything off the kids so just said here take the lot house and all, and i will started a fresh with a minus bank balance no house, nothing to my name but the kids were ok i would pay my bit and rebuild my life.
The cheeky Bitch has tried a few times to get more but the csa have told her that i pay over what they would get and they cant get involved
Its no wonder some dads just give up its soul destroying, and so one sided towards females
I have told my lad if he ever gets married and you can do one of those agreement get it done sharpish.

 

[marty mcfly]

Well of course they are - when they're born. They maybe born equal but you can't pick your parents and if they have not made the best of decisions since THEY were born 'equal'...and so on and so on.

Rooney, Rodwell and Barkley were all 'born equal' with the same potential.

Sad to say, in the genetic lottery some start off with a better chance than others, which may be then enhanced or weakened by life's other handicap(s)

You are born equal under the law (well unless you are a boy).

In all other ways you aren't. Some are born rich, smart or good looking and ill leave you to decide which ones make more of a difference to your quality of life. Put it this way it's the ones you would choose in order.

 

[larrygobfiend]

A lot of the current vitriol has been attributed to people not having any compassion for their fellow man, but that's probably difficult when you're just getting by yourself, working hard and trying to do the right thing. There's been quite a bit of financial stability for your average Joe of late, you can't blame them for not wanting that to change.

I smell a few champagne socialists on GOT with no genuine fear that things will ever go tits up for them

 

[marty mcfly]

it is in the case of divorce ,deffo at the time of mine if the child was under 9 it was deemed to be to young to express an opinion, and as such stayed with the mother, unless she was a danger to them ,ie you had called the police out to protect them, house went 3 ways third you kids and her. with no looking into who had paid what , i had paid every bill and owned everything in the place except a lamp, if anything was bought for the use of the house that was hers as well, but if you were still paying for it well guess what the debt was yours.
I got ripped off trying to fight for the kids, could have been told at the beginning and saved myself a lot of time and money, only because a friend put me wise to it did it end, i just thought well i am never going to take anything off the kids so just said here take the lot house and all, and i will started a fresh with a minus bank balance no house, nothing to my name but the kids were ok i would pay my bit and rebuild my life.
The cheeky Bitch has tried a few times to get more but the csa have told her that i pay over what they would get and they cant get involved
Its no wonder some dads just give up its soul destroying, and so one sided towards females
I have told my lad if he ever gets married and you can do one of those agreement get it done sharpish.

Men just don't believe these stories unless it happens to someone they know. That's why these issues should be resolved beforehand then the sexist courts wouldn't or at least it wouldn't be as easy to screw over the dads.

Ultimately the courts don't care. The state just doesn't want to pay for your ex wife or kids. They don't give a [Poor language removed] about you.

 

[degsy]

You are born equal under the law (well unless you are a boy).

In all other ways you aren't. Some are born rich, smart or good looking and ill leave you to decide which ones make more of a difference to your quality of life. Put it this way it's the ones you would choose in order.

Thought I said that...don't go along with your 'Boy' statement though you're talking testicles on that

 

[Blue 1]

A lot of the current vitriol has been attributed to people not having any compassion for their fellow man, but that's probably difficult when you're just getting by yourself, working hard and trying to do the right thing. There's been quite a bit of financial stability for your average Joe of late, you can't blame them for not wanting that to change.

I smell a few champagne socialists on GOT with no genuine fear that things will ever go tits up for them

I'm just getting by, working hard and trying to do the right thing and I'm [Poor language removed] terrified, personally. The next round of cuts are quite likely going to make things very, very difficult for me. I just hope I can keep hold of my house.

 

[edge]

Men just don't believe these stories unless it happens to someone they know. That's why these issues should be resolved beforehand then the sexist courts wouldn't or at least it wouldn't be as easy to screw over the dads.

Ultimately the courts don't care. The state just doesn't want to pay for your ex wife or kids. They don't give a [Poor language removed] about you.

you can see why some do as you say just jib there job and say f it take the 7 quid out of my dole, took me a decade to get back to a sound footing due to the debt i got left in.

 

[daylightrobber]

A lot of the current vitriol has been attributed to people not having any compassion for their fellow man, but that's probably difficult when you're just getting by yourself, working hard and trying to do the right thing. There's been quite a bit of financial stability for your average Joe of late, you can't blame them for not wanting that to change.

I smell a few champagne socialists on GOT with no genuine fear that things will ever go tits up for them

I'm not sure that it's much more difficult to show compassion just because you are just getting by. That's an attitude thing and it needs to change. I'm probably in the 'doing ok' demographic and out of choice our family is probably now in the 'just getting by' category. We still find ways to make a difference, by contributing the time and skills that we have etc. (I acknowledge that we do fortunately have a buffer). I think by being involved, you do tend to see things more clearly, that it could be you that is in the mire. Having the attitude of 'I'm alright Jack' and ignoring the plight of others is a ridiculous one to have. Poverty or incapacity could be just around the corner. Would you want others to ignore you? My guess is no.

 

[The Esk]

From the Sutton Trust - an analysis of the background of this election's batch of MPs

http://www.suttontrust.com/researcharchive/parliamentary-privilege-the-mps-2015/

Almost a third (32%) of MPs in the new House of Commons was privately educated. This means that the new House is only a little more representative than that elected in 2010, when 35% of MPs had been to a fee-paying school.

The research brief, Parliamentary Privilege – the MPs,shows that around half (48%) of Conservative MPs were privately educated, compared to 14% of Liberal Democrats, 5% of SNP MPs for whom we have data and 17% of Labour MPs. Among other MPs, 24% went to a fee-paying school.

However, the proportion of privately educated Conservative MPs has fallen from 54% in the last parliament and 73% in 1979.

With only 7% of the general population attending independent schools, MPs are over four times more likely to have gone to a fee-paying school than their constituents. Out of those MPs who were privately educated, almost one in ten went to Eton.

The research draws on data compiled by the Sutton Trust and public affairs consultant Tim Carr from public sources, requests to candidates in marginal constituencies and those in seats where the previous MP was not standing again.

Nine out of ten MPs are graduates. Of those who went to a UK university, 26% hold an Oxbridge degree and 28% went to another Russell Group university. Whilst the public might expect MPs to have good degrees, previous research by the Trust found that those from the richest fifth of neighbourhoods are still nine times more likely to go to the top universities than those from the poorest fifth.

 

[larrygobfiend]

I'm not sure that it's much more difficult to show compassion just because you are just getting by. That's an attitude thing and it needs to change. I'm probably in the 'doing ok' demographic and out of choice our family is probably now in the 'just getting by' category. We still find ways to make a difference, by contributing the time and skills that we have etc. (I acknowledge that we do fortunately have a buffer). I think by being involved, you do tend to see things more clearly, that it could be you that is in the mire. Having the attitude of 'I'm alright Jack' and ignoring the plight of others is a ridiculous one to have. Poverty or incapacity could be just around the corner. Would you want others to ignore you? My guess is no.

I get what you're saying, but perhaps people may have feared their taxes and general living costs could increase under a Labour government leading to them being dragged towards the poverty line. I dunno, I'm just trying to rationalise things instead of being hysterical about it.

Sometimes it's hard to see past your own situation and maybe the politics of fear prevailed this time round.

 

[larrygobfiend]

It'd be nice to think everybody's as conscientious and charitable in real life as they are on social media.

 

[marty mcfly]

Damn right they do. They fiddle their taxes so that the rest of us have to pick up the bill. They manipulate the banking system to suit their needs and not the needs of the people who's money they play fast and loose with. They exploit workers for their own financial gain.

Keep looking in the wrong direction fella and it'll pass you by.

I totally agree. There's abuse at both ends of the spectrum however the Tories have done far more to close the tax loop holes and clamp down on tax avoiders in the last parliament than any previous government.

Don't get me started on the whole banking system. It's setup to be corrupt and essentially force everyone into being debt slaves.