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2024/25 Relegation Thread

MikeH72 said:
It’s losing grip with reality to suggest Dyche isn’t in the running for big jobs? Ok.
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Well you started off by saying he’s tactically outwitted every manager in the league which is not what my post said at all but as usual you just over exaggerate what people post then extrapolate it as far as possible to try and associate them with an extremely binary view they don’t actually hold.

I’d also say it’s a bit odd to expect that a manager we brought in when we were in a dire situation both in league position and financially would also be a manager that top clubs in Europe with completely different requirements than us would want, and thus them not wanting him is some sort of definitive judgement on his work at Everton.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Well you started off by saying he’s tactically outwitted every manager in the league which is not what my post said at all but as usual you just over exaggerate what people post then extrapolate it as far as possible to try and associate them with an extremely binary view they don’t actually hold.

I’d also say it’s a bit odd to expect that a manager we brought in when we were in a dire situation both in league position and financially would also be a manager that top clubs in Europe with completely different requirements than us would want, and thus them not wanting him is some sort of definitive judgement on his work at Everton.
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Oh I don’t expect that at all btw.
 

MikeH72 said:
You might find it mad that there’s clubs out there in between Everton and Real Madrid.
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I find it mad that you seriously think that whether a top European team goes for Sean Dyche or not is a reflection on whether he’s done the job we brought in for or not.

You keep talking about expectations of where Everton should be and how we’re bigger than all these other clubs, and then simultaneously say he’s not going to go onto a bigger club than Everton. He almost certainly won’t because you can count on one hand how many clubs in England are ‘bigger’ than Everton and frankly none of them are going to be looking for a manager to take them from 19th to mid table whilst they operate on a sell to buy policy are they?

Literally no one is disagreeing with you that Sean Dyche is not the manager to take us forward long term under Friedkin, no one, yet you’re making this the central plank of your argument.

The absolute reality of the situation is he’s leaving Everton this summer at the latest. Then if he wants to carry on he’ll be picked up to do a job either by a Pl team in trouble or a championship team wanting to come up because that’s the job he’s good at which is precisely why we hired him when we needed that manager. The time will hopefully soon be upon us when we don’t though (largely thanks to the job he’s done)
 
Saint Domingo said:
Yet Arteta, Klopp, Pochettino, Howe, Frank, Emery, De Zerbi, Glasner, McKenna, Iraola, O’Neill, Nuno, Moyes, Hodgson, Marsch, Wilder, Kompany, have all failed to deal with it at some point over the last 22 months, some of them multiple times. Thats not even counting the managers who could only draw. If it was so easy to deal with why is this the case?
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Iraola this season is a great example. His set up from kick off had that game won. His in game management in that Bournemouth game however was atrocious. I wouldnt say it was genius from iraola. He threw on half a side that he had available off the bench as a dice throw. But Dyche counter move against iraola is one of the worst ive seen from any manager.
And a lot of managers after would have been humble enough after to admit they made some bad calls there. Not our Sean. His stubborn arrogance after that game was very off putting.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Iraola this season is a great example. His set up from kick off had that game won. His in game management in that Bournemouth game however was atrocious. I wouldnt say it was genius from iraola. He threw on half a side that he had available off the bench as a dice throw. But Dyche counter move against iraola is one of the worst ive seen from any manager.
And a lot of managers after would have been humble enough after to admit they made some bad calls there. Not our Sean. His stubborn arrogance after that game was very off putting.
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Iraoloa also lost 3-0 to Dyche and let’s face it got out thought for 87 mins of the home fixture also. They both ended last season on the same number of points. Iraola has had more net spend as well. It’s not to say he’s not a good manager, he seems to be doing a good job but I’d put a decent amount of money on we won’t be seeing season on season progression from Bournemouth up into the European places whilst they operate on transfer profit model which seems to be the expectation for Dyche.

For me you simply need an awful lot of squad investment on quality players to climb up the table and stay there, regardless of who your manager is.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Iraoloa also lost 3-0 to Dyche and let’s face it got out thought for 87 mins of the home fixture also. They both ended last season on the same number of points. Iraola has had more net spend as well. It’s not to say he’s not a good manager, he seems to be doing a good job but I’d put a decent amount of money on we won’t be seeing season on season progression from Bournemouth up into the European places whilst they operate on transfer profit model which seems to be the expectation for Dyche.

For me you simply need an awful lot of squad investment on quality players to climb up the table and stay there, regardless of who your manager is.
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When bournemouth came to Goodison and lost 3-0 i thought iraola was a dead man walking and his football was suicide. 12 months on you can see he's a progressive coach/manager who's team play some decent attacking football and he's clearly learning in this league from his early spell. Bournemouth are a club that i dont really see as relegation candidates anymore. I suppose thats the best compliment i can give.
 

Gilbert.. said:
When bournemouth came to Goodison and lost 3-0 i thought iraola was a dead man walking and his football was suicide. 12 months on you can see he's a progressive coach/manager who's team play some decent attacking football and he's clearly learning in this league from his early spell. Bournemouth are a club that i dont really see as relegation candidates anymore. I suppose thats the best compliment i can give.
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and this summer if they sold their best players and gave him less money for transfers in, would he be expected to outperform his points total again? Or are the more likely scenarios he spends a huge amount to finish in more or less the same place or gets annoyed he can’t spend the amount he wants and jumps to another club?

It takes an extremely good manager and a lot of money to move up the table significantly and stay there.
 
Anyone would think this is the Sean Dyche thread..... Anyway, back on relegation matters, I just read that the bottom 6 all play against each other. Not season defining but pretty close to it.
 

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