Yep - there are teams for who being in the PL is already a win. Letting other teams around them spend will make life harder for them.
Owners without money to spend, or who don't want to, will want to stop other clubs spending too.
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Owners without money to spend, or who don't want to, will want to stop other clubs spending too.
Tony’s Carp
Player Valuation: £40m
But that isn’t the case. There are massive losses throughout the league. All FFP really is designed to do is limit the loss according to revenue. For financial health that isn’t the evil aim some make it out to be.
The irony of the discussion about Villa and how they are being unfairly constrained by FFP is that they’d almost be certainly be worse off without it- without FFP Newcastle would’ve spent their almost infinite wealth and rocketed past them, likewise without FFP Chelsea or Man U who apparently are both on the limit would have no constraints. If it was just done according to actual owner wealth rather than revenue the likes of Villa would have no chance.
Everyone wants everyone else constrained, and that’s why it got voted in. Yes, you can argue it locks in existing inequality…but you can also argue it prevents it from getting worse.
I dont know if we can say Chelsea and United would get better from spending more. I'd say there's as much chance they could keep getting worse.
FFP certainly hasn't stopped those clubs spending either. We've never seen anything like the spending Chelsea have done.
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £20m
It's madness that people didn't listen years ago to the issues. These were a problem nearly a decade ago but it was allowed to happen and now ffp as its known is firmly rooted and football is broken as long as it resumes.
There is no hope for any club to get sustained success other than the ones who already have it and the pattern of the super 6 filling the top 4 spots for the last 20 years with the exception of 2 seasons is one that will only get worse. Its pathetic
There is no hope for any club to get sustained success other than the ones who already have it and the pattern of the super 6 filling the top 4 spots for the last 20 years with the exception of 2 seasons is one that will only get worse. Its pathetic
When FFP issues start to affect the bigger more powerful clubs then the inadequacies of the system will be highlighted.
We can see already that it has been possible to hold an enquiry and an appeal about Everton's problems but dealing with the Man City issues seems to be nowhere in sight.
We have seen Chelsea bend the rules to breaking point by offering stupidly long term contracts.
Newcastle are hamstrung by the existing rules because of coming too late to the trough.
There will be changes but goodness knows what they will be.
We can see already that it has been possible to hold an enquiry and an appeal about Everton's problems but dealing with the Man City issues seems to be nowhere in sight.
We have seen Chelsea bend the rules to breaking point by offering stupidly long term contracts.
Newcastle are hamstrung by the existing rules because of coming too late to the trough.
There will be changes but goodness knows what they will be.
davies1878
Player Valuation: £2.5m
This
Look at Southampton, built one or two impressive two really good teams and they just got wiped out and then back to square one.
It was certain clubs in UK and Europe reacting to both Chelsea and Man City that forced in FFP, the whole Portsmouth excuse means nothing because their are tonnes of ways to confirm owners finance e.g owners placing bonds with the league before purchase of a club
Took nearly 2 years for Newcastles's new ownership to get ratified because theb"big" clubs where trying to stop it with the premier league.
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £20m
Ffp will never be voted out now either unless there is an independent regulator. When 14 clubs are required to overturn the rules it will never happen as you'll always have a Luton or Bournemouth who are more than happy to reap the financial benefits with no real desire to grow as a club any further than what they are now.
Nobody wants a fairer system, they just want a system that benefits their club the most.
I think it depends on what the end goal is, and this is what should really be decided once and for all: Is it to ensure overall spending is sustainable - including everything outside the first team (facilities, staffing, etc.)? Or is it just to curb spending on players, so clubs don't bankrupt themselves trying to build a trophy-winning side?
If it's the former, then the current system could work, though it needs to be tweaked considerably. For instance, the amount of allowable losses has to increase over time to account for inflation. Absolutely mind-boggling that it's not already been indexed that way. And the powers-that-be have to be willing to properly investigate and punish Man City-style fraudulent gaming of the numbers (ha!). And as has been spoken about plenty on here, there has to be a better way to handle double-jeopardy situations, where a really bad single year causes multiple breaches due to the very nature of a multi-year cycle counting at least some years twice.
If it's the latter, though, then this system is nonsense. As I saw someone post on here a while back (can't remember the poster or thread, exactly), this is one spot where American sports leagues like the NBA have the right idea: a luxury tax system. Basically, you set an amount that everyone is allowed to spend on transfer fees, wages, etc., and then if you want to spend more than that amount you can, but you have to pay something like 50% tax on whatever you spend above the set allowance. And that tax is then distributed to the other clubs to help maintain competitive balance.
But overall I think that's a huge part of the problem - the current system is confused as to what its purpose should be, and no one's bothering to do the hard work of really figuring that out.
Meanwhile the new owner of Man U think they’re entitled to a shiny new stadium at the expense of the taxpayer.
I could be wrong, but didnt Liverpool get LOADS of help with regards that failed Stadium build in Stanley Park?
What RATcliffe is doing is the correct thing to do and something Everton really should have explored more.
The Council would have thrown vast amounts of money at us if only we had asked, but, we didnt.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Well that doesn't seem very sustainable now does it?
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £60m
Moshiri’s only financial strength is that he knows how to lose and waste money. Doing anything rational is out of the question
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
In 2021 they made a profit of £14,999,999 so they will ger 6 points deducted foe being a quid out.
Ironically that £1 difference was to pay for Richard Master's complimentary kit kat when he visited them.
Damn you Masters!
