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6 + 2 Point Deductions

I think there is going to be a lot of managers with splinters in their backside with the amount of fence sitting going on. Moyes might say something in our favour.

To be fair to the Bournemouth manager, I am sure most managers haven't read the rules around PSR. Not in their remit, that should be in the boards hands (despite what Gladys was saying earlier about a finance director not being involved in transfers).
 
I see Mendy is now suing Man City for not paying him.

Isn't this highly relevant to the whole player X thing? I'm led to believe that the commission/PL had the opinion that we should or could have just terminated his contract a la City vs Mendy..

Is that correct?

No.

Everton did terminate his contract.

Everton decided against suing him.

They then tried to claim £10m back in the P&S due to loss of transfer value, loss of paying wages and they said if they had have taken Player X to court, they could have got that back. The Commission - absolutely fairly so - said that there was no way to prove that. Meanwhile, Everton elected to terminate Player X's contract. It was the right decision, but they still made that decision, and since they didn't pursue any of those losses back from Player X, it was a rubbish case of mitigation.

It was probably the second-weakest of the lot, apart from the really, really desperate attempt at the transfer levy thing.
 
£100 million quid now ! lol

All eyes are on Leicester City to see if the Foxes will launch a compensation claim against Everton.

City, who finished one place behind Everton in the Premier League table last season as they were relegated to the Championship, could now claim compensation for lost earnings. Here, we take a look at the situation and our writers consider what might happen.

Given the small moments football can rest on, it feels like they have a case. The difference between staying up and going down can be one kick of a ball.

There’s no doubt that City were rubbish last season, with players, managers, and even the hierarchy under-performing. But had James Maddison’s penalty against Everton in May been converted, they would be breathing a sigh of relief that they were learning their lessons as a Premier League club, knowing that they had at least one more year of a guaranteed £100m heading their way.

While Everton’s breach of the regulations covers the three years ending with the 2021-22 season, the year before City were relegated, it has to be considered that an overspend of £19.5m will have a knock-on effect into further campaigns. It costs around £5m a year to pay a player £100k a week. Going beyond the limit by £19.5m may have allowed Everton to offer out contracts that kept players at Goodison Park into last season. How many kicks of a ball does that impact? Far more than the one penalty miss that stopped City from staying up.

There will also be the argument that the points deduction should affect the season directly after the breach of regulations, and not two seasons further on. Everton should still survive this season, even in spite of the 10 points they’ve been docked.

The whole matter is a mess and not what football should be about. But it is what it has become, and there is a clear argument that those rule breaches affected the competition enough that City were relegated instead of Everton. This could be a dispute that rumbles on for some time.

Amie Wilson
I’ve seen a few different views on the prospect of City making a claim against Everton since their points deduction was confirmed just under a week ago. Arguments claim that City got what they deserved, something that I partly agree with.

Yes, the performances of the team weren’t good enough to stay up in the end, but in a relegation fight you are always relying on three teams being worse than you. That’s where City have a claim against Everton.

A summer refresh has brought new life to the club with Enzo Maresca coming in. It may not have felt it at the time, but in the long-term, relegation may have been the best thing for the club, but it’s the financial implications that City can claim against Everton.

The moment that ultimately sealed City’s fate in the final day came from Abdoulaye Doucoure, who Everton signed for £20m from Watford in 2020, one of the seasons they have been charged for breaking Financial Fair Play rules in. It has been confirmed that the club went over the limit by just under £20m.

City could, therefore, argue that players bought by Everton in that time period, against the rules, had a big impact in their relegation from the Premier League. City may have finished above the Toffees had they not spent on fees and wages on certain players.

One of the contributing factors was City’s lack of transfer activity in the summer. In order to not break the rules, City signed just one outfield player in Wout Faes in the summer of 2022, as a £15m replacement for Wesley Fofana who was sold to Chelsea for £75m.

City were unable to sign a replacement for the outgoing Kasper Schmeichel. I’ve already seen arguments claiming that City would not have been relegated if Mads Hermansen, who signed this summer, was playing in goal last season ahead of Danny Ward and Daniel Iversen as he is doing now.

There’s so many factors that can be looked at, but the fact that City made sure not to break the rules, when they could have easily thrown caution to the wind in a bid to strengthen, will only help their case as they look to claim as much of the losses of relegation back from Everton as possible.

James Pallatt
City will surely launch a case against Everton, first of all. Nothing has been confirmed by the club in the wake of the Toffees being found guilty of breaking the Premier League’s financial rules, but it surely will be.

And when that happens, it will be an entirely straightforward case, right? It looks cut and dried on the surface. Everton broke the rules and relegated City were collateral damage. That’s the bottom line. Case closed. All City have to do is give Everton their bank details so they can transfer £100m or so as compensation.

The thing is, there’s an added complexity to City’s case for compensation, for me, beyond the obvious, huge loss of revenue from exiting the Premier League, which has so far been missing from the narrative. What about Leicester having to sell arguably their best two players during the summer?

Yes, James Maddison only had one year left on his contract at the King Power Stadium and City may well have had to make a decision on selling him during the summer anyway, but might they have been in a stronger bargaining position when Tottenham came calling if they were still in the Premier League? The short answer is yes. Which means they could have banked more than the £40m Spurs paid for him.

And then there’s Harvey Barnes. City would not have had to sell him at all. He was on a contract until 2025. But relegation changed that. As their best young player, it follows that he was one of their most saleable assets at a time when they had to sell. And so he was sold to Newcastle for around £40m. If City were still in the Premier League it’s highly likely Barnes would still be at the club. And how much might he have been worth in the future? Very likely, more than £40m. And this - as well as Maddison’s sale - should come into the equation in any compensation claim by City, which could take it well over £100m.
Who tf wrote that crap.
 
£100 million quid now ! lol

All eyes are on Leicester City to see if the Foxes will launch a compensation claim against Everton.

City, who finished one place behind Everton in the Premier League table last season as they were relegated to the Championship, could now claim compensation for lost earnings. Here, we take a look at the situation and our writers consider what might happen.

Given the small moments football can rest on, it feels like they have a case. The difference between staying up and going down can be one kick of a ball.

There’s no doubt that City were rubbish last season, with players, managers, and even the hierarchy under-performing. But had James Maddison’s penalty against Everton in May been converted, they would be breathing a sigh of relief that they were learning their lessons as a Premier League club, knowing that they had at least one more year of a guaranteed £100m heading their way.

While Everton’s breach of the regulations covers the three years ending with the 2021-22 season, the year before City were relegated, it has to be considered that an overspend of £19.5m will have a knock-on effect into further campaigns. It costs around £5m a year to pay a player £100k a week. Going beyond the limit by £19.5m may have allowed Everton to offer out contracts that kept players at Goodison Park into last season. How many kicks of a ball does that impact? Far more than the one penalty miss that stopped City from staying up.

There will also be the argument that the points deduction should affect the season directly after the breach of regulations, and not two seasons further on. Everton should still survive this season, even in spite of the 10 points they’ve been docked.

The whole matter is a mess and not what football should be about. But it is what it has become, and there is a clear argument that those rule breaches affected the competition enough that City were relegated instead of Everton. This could be a dispute that rumbles on for some time.

Amie Wilson
I’ve seen a few different views on the prospect of City making a claim against Everton since their points deduction was confirmed just under a week ago. Arguments claim that City got what they deserved, something that I partly agree with.

Yes, the performances of the team weren’t good enough to stay up in the end, but in a relegation fight you are always relying on three teams being worse than you. That’s where City have a claim against Everton.

A summer refresh has brought new life to the club with Enzo Maresca coming in. It may not have felt it at the time, but in the long-term, relegation may have been the best thing for the club, but it’s the financial implications that City can claim against Everton.

The moment that ultimately sealed City’s fate in the final day came from Abdoulaye Doucoure, who Everton signed for £20m from Watford in 2020, one of the seasons they have been charged for breaking Financial Fair Play rules in. It has been confirmed that the club went over the limit by just under £20m.

City could, therefore, argue that players bought by Everton in that time period, against the rules, had a big impact in their relegation from the Premier League. City may have finished above the Toffees had they not spent on fees and wages on certain players.

One of the contributing factors was City’s lack of transfer activity in the summer. In order to not break the rules, City signed just one outfield player in Wout Faes in the summer of 2022, as a £15m replacement for Wesley Fofana who was sold to Chelsea for £75m.

City were unable to sign a replacement for the outgoing Kasper Schmeichel. I’ve already seen arguments claiming that City would not have been relegated if Mads Hermansen, who signed this summer, was playing in goal last season ahead of Danny Ward and Daniel Iversen as he is doing now.

There’s so many factors that can be looked at, but the fact that City made sure not to break the rules, when they could have easily thrown caution to the wind in a bid to strengthen, will only help their case as they look to claim as much of the losses of relegation back from Everton as possible.

James Pallatt
City will surely launch a case against Everton, first of all. Nothing has been confirmed by the club in the wake of the Toffees being found guilty of breaking the Premier League’s financial rules, but it surely will be.

And when that happens, it will be an entirely straightforward case, right? It looks cut and dried on the surface. Everton broke the rules and relegated City were collateral damage. That’s the bottom line. Case closed. All City have to do is give Everton their bank details so they can transfer £100m or so as compensation.


The thing is, there’s an added complexity to City’s case for compensation, for me, beyond the obvious, huge loss of revenue from exiting the Premier League, which has so far been missing from the narrative. What about Leicester having to sell arguably their best two players during the summer?

Yes, James Maddison only had one year left on his contract at the King Power Stadium and City may well have had to make a decision on selling him during the summer anyway, but might they have been in a stronger bargaining position when Tottenham came calling if they were still in the Premier League? The short answer is yes. Which means they could have banked more than the £40m Spurs paid for him.

And then there’s Harvey Barnes. City would not have had to sell him at all. He was on a contract until 2025. But relegation changed that. As their best young player, it follows that he was one of their most saleable assets at a time when they had to sell. And so he was sold to Newcastle for around £40m. If City were still in the Premier League it’s highly likely Barnes would still be at the club. And how much might he have been worth in the future? Very likely, more than £40m. And this - as well as Maddison’s sale - should come into the equation in any compensation claim by City, which could take it well over £100m.
Who is this fella, and how is he so dumb?
Everton broke the rules across three seasons (19/20, 20/21 and 21/22), and in a different season Leicester were relegated.

If anyone has any claim for compensation (they don't, if we are getting a points deduction), then it is the team who finished 18th in 21/22
 

I’m no Neville fan at all, but he’s one of the only people that has been calling for an independent regulator of the Premier League for some time now!
Part of what the PL are doing to us now is a ridiculous attempt by them to prove they can keep things in house and under their control , without the need for any independent oversight!
Only for their decisions against us showing why an independent regulator is required 😂
 
I think there is going to be a lot of managers with splinters in their backside with the amount of fence sitting going on. Moyes might say something in our favour.

To be fair to the Bournemouth manager, I am sure most managers haven't read the rules around PSR. Not in their remit, that should be in the boards hands (despite what Gladys was saying earlier about a finance director not being involved in transfers).
I am sure Dyche will have had loads of private messages from managers saying what a joke this whole thing is but hard for them to say anything publically.
At his press conference tomorrow when he will be asked about the sanction he can say that he won’t talk about it but he is grateful for all the supportive messages he has had from other managers on the vindictiveness and absurdity of the 10 point deduction and what a mockery it makes of a supposedly competitive league.
He could use the cloak of anonymity to deliver some punchy message without bringing himself into disrepute.

The PL or media can’t prove whether it’s true or not unless they obtain everyone’s phones!
 
I dont think its weak at all. Motigation wise maybe not, but morality wise…
Is that in regards to Player X?

It's a very weak defence (i.e. mitigation). But it was definitely the right thing to do. But you can't then go and claim we'd get £10m back by litigation against him, since we never did it. AND, he wasn't even charged, so not sure we'd have even got anything anyway
 
Is that in regards to Player X?

It's a very weak defence (i.e. mitigation). But it was definitely the right thing to do. But you can't then go and claim we'd get £10m back by litigation against him, since we never did it. AND, he wasn't even charged, so not sure we'd have even got anything anyway
It took 2 years for the charges to be dropped so he was unusable by us or anyone else and he had been suspended by the FA first.
He was described as a star player in the report but somehow he would not have made a difference to our performance if he had been available or commanded a transfer fee if we were minded to sell him.
 

It took 2 years for the charges to be dropped so he was unusable by us or anyone else and he had been suspended by the FA first.
He was described as a star player in the report but somehow he would not have made a difference to our performance if he had been available or commanded a transfer fee if we were minded to sell him.
If he played we would of finished higher, he would of got probably 7 goals an 7 assist in a season, which is probably 6-12 more points which in turn is a few places and loads more money
 
It took 2 years for the charges to be dropped so he was unusable by us or anyone else and he had been suspended by the FA first.
He was described as a star player in the report but somehow he would not have made a difference to our performance if he had been available or commanded a transfer fee if we were minded to sell him.

Unbelievable contradiction. More holes than a sponge.
 
No.

Everton did terminate his contract.

Everton decided against suing him.

They then tried to claim £10m back in the P&S due to loss of transfer value, loss of paying wages and they said if they had have taken Player X to court, they could have got that back. The Commission - absolutely fairly so - said that there was no way to prove that. Meanwhile, Everton elected to terminate Player X's contract. It was the right decision, but they still made that decision, and since they didn't pursue any of those losses back from Player X, it was a rubbish case of mitigation.

It was probably the second-weakest of the lot, apart from the really, really desperate attempt at the transfer levy thing.
Yeah they would've been better off just sticking with the lost transfer revenue and not all the BS about suing him. Didn't they say something like they decided against suing him out of concern for his mental health?
 
It took 2 years for the charges to be dropped so he was unusable by us or anyone else and he had been suspended by the FA first.
He was described as a star player in the report but somehow he would not have made a difference to our performance if he had been available or commanded a transfer fee if we were minded to sell him.
Right...

- He had, at the time of his absence, less than a year left on his deal. He was 31, about to turn 32, so immediately there's no chance we're getting a big fee for him, especially when you chuck on he was on what, £120k+ per week?

He was described as a star player in the report because Everton described him as a star player, not because the IC suddenly decided to rate our players.

They dismissed it as mitigation because there is no way Everton could prove they would have got that money back by suing him. Because... they didn't sue him. So to then claim a complete hypothetical back as £10m was pretty wishful thinking IMO.
 
Yeah they would've been better off just sticking with the lost transfer revenue and not all the BS about suing him. Didn't they say something like they decided against suing him out of concern for his mental health?
Yeah.

Essentially saying we should be rewarded for being nice.

It'd be fantastic if it works like that but I can't blame the IC - made up of two very experienced lawyers and an accountant - for dismissing it.
 

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