6 + 2 Point Deductions

[pfim]

just got sent this has some more

3. Moshiri put the equity into the club specifically for the stadium, the counter argument would be he wouldn't have done that without the stadium project.

4. This just doesn't make sense to me. They've restated the accounts, but the tenor of the interest has not changed.

5. Interest from 777 won't have a material effect on the 06/30/2023 financials. I don't remember the timing of when the MSP cash hit but I don't think it will be material either. Debt doesn't matter.

 

[mikel_88]

How many other clubs are running at a loss and our wage bill must have dropped a huge amount in the last 3yrs. Mina, digne, Walcott, gylfi, James, Bernard, richarlison, bolasie. Delph, tosun, Allen, gbamin. Kean, iwobi, gray, Rondon.

Obviously we bought players, but there no way we’ve got close to the wage bill of a couple of years ago, we also had a much bigger squad compared to today

Even cut costs at gk aswell the cover now will be a far less, was the lad we sold to city also in this ffp yr

 

[pfim]

Is strange because well the model will be to sell your so called best players for big money and will only be the same too sides fighting over them. But is interesting to think if could open a market to teams like us to get players at a smaller price with a sell on fee, with a view to team making money on players like onana. Or even mid prem teams doing deals with teams around them while over charging the top 6 even more

Eventually market forces will take over and depress transfer fees. While the top 6 work on different economics, they still need to adhere to PSR.

There were bubbles like Chelsea depreciating contracts forever, Saudi Arabia, etc. But eventually fees will stabilize or regress.

 

[Bebeto]

Under the Premier League rules mate, clubs can make a maximum loss of £105m over a rolling three-year period, or £35m a season. If a club has been in the EFL during those three years, the amount of losses allowed are smaller.

Forest would be limited to losses of £61m as opposed to £105 million- they were allowed losses of £13m per year for 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons when they were in the Championship, plus £35m for last season.

Forest made a loss of £45.6m in 2021-22, when they were promoted, and £15.5m the season before. In both years, the club spent double the amount on wages that they earned in turnover. Although promotion to the Premier League will have boosted Forest’s income by about £90m, the club spent heavily on transfers after promotion and their wage bill will have rocketed too.

So basically before last season, forest was already on the limit. Only way for them to avoid punishment is that if they did not make a lose last season which is unlikely...even a small lose last season will put them over the 61 millions limit.

 

[Neiler]

So basically before last season, forest was already on the limit. Only way for them to avoid punishment is that if they did not make a lose last season which is unlikely...even a small lose last season will put them over the 61 millions limit.

That's it mate.

Its important to note though, their income increased by about 90 million (if not more), so they could take that on a lot of new costs as well.

Id say its very tight.

 

[Victus]

I'm surprised nobody has tried to figure out our profit and loss over these years to see if we're close or not.

 

[Goat]

I'm surprised nobody has tried to figure out our profit and loss over these years to see if we're close or not.

It's impossible without the latest accounts.

Plus nobody knows what money has gone to the stadium.

 

[maccavennie]

It's impossible without the latest accounts.

Plus nobody knows what money has gone to the stadium.

I've crunched the numbers, dialed in the figures and spoke to top TOP people who are really good with an abacus.

The results are in.

Micheal Keanes wage last week took us over the limit again and we'll be getting a further 10pt deduction due to him and him alone.

 

[Goat]

I've crunched the numbers, dialed in the figures and spoke to top TOP people who are really good with an abacus.

The results are in.

Micheal Keanes wage last week took us over the limit again and we'll be getting a further 10pt deduction due to him and him alone.

KEGGGGGGGGGGGGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[IllinoisBlue]

In any normal business, a director sanctioning the sale of its biggest asset at a 30pc discount - just because year end is approaching - would be kicked out of the place.

Are you saying it’s better to wait for a better offer than risk a 10 point deduction by not balancing the books?

Didn’t we have a deal for 80m with Spurs for Richarlison but sold him for 60m on June 30th in an attempt to balance the books?

 

[Dublin blue 75]

I've crunched the numbers, dialed in the figures and spoke to top TOP people who are really good with an abacus.

The results are in.

Micheal Keanes wage last week took us over the limit again and we'll be getting a further 10pt deduction due to him and him alone.

50p over?

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

Are you saying it’s better to wait for a better offer than risk a 10 point deduction by not balancing the books?

Didn’t we have a deal for 80m with Spurs for Richarlison but sold him for 60m on June 30th in an attempt to balance the books?

He is saying the rules force you to behave in a way detrimental to the business (and its sustainability and liquidity), exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to be there for.

 

[maccavennie]

50p over?

Spot on mate, they said it was uncanny how we were over by 50p which is the same shape as his head.

Sometimes you've just got to take it on the ol' 50p chin and embrace the relegation.

 

[IllinoisBlue]

He is saying the rules force you to behave in a way detrimental to the business (and its sustainability and liquidity), exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to be there for.

I agree, and it is to the advantage of the clubs with more money who know they can get players at a reduced price because of these rules.

 

[Dixieslaces]

Eventually market forces will take over and depress transfer fees. While the top 6 work on different economics, they still need to adhere to PSR.

There were bubbles like Chelsea depreciating contracts forever, Saudi Arabia, etc. But eventually fees will stabilize or regress.

The arse has to fall out of this cash cow at some point. Im pretty sure of it now.