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Advantages/Strengths of Prisons as a form of punishment

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I shouldn't be struggling to write a few paragraphs on this but I am... there are a few intelligent lads on here so c'mon, help me out.

As a form of punishment, what do you think are the strengths of imprisonment are? For society and the prisoner. I have the basics such as humane in the form or rehabilitation, protects society etc but thats about it.

Step forward Neb... you know your stuff.
 
I shouldn't be struggling to write a few paragraphs on this but I am... there are a few intelligent lads on here so c'mon, help me out.

As a form of punishment, what do you think are the strengths of imprisonment are? For society and the prisoner. I have the basics such as humane in the form or rehabilitation, protects society etc but thats about it.

Step forward Neb... you know your stuff.


If it works mate it hasnt helped my youngest brother who's in and out like a cuckoo in a [Poor language removed] clock. He didnt have a drug problem when he first went in but he's very bad now. Am not saying jail got him addicted, he did that to himself but there is as much inside as there is out. As for rehab am not so sure. They learn new tricks and meet new cronies and although some dont go back a lot of them do. I dont think its tough enough. They get TV's, phone cards and wear what they want. It should be harder. Yes it protects society for a short while but they soon get out. I wouldnt tell my brother where I live or give him my phone number cos I dont trust him. He's broke into my car 3 times in the past and thats enough for me.
 
Prison is a form retributive justice administered by society in order to punish wrongdoers. The victim of the criminal has had all her rights, and her very humanity, taken by the criminal. So we do the same back on her behalf. Prisoners can be made to undergo corrective treatment, made to face what they have done. Prison should not be a pleasant place for career criminals since it teaches them that their crime is somehow only just socially unacceptable. By punishing wrongdoers in a fairly aggressive manner, we also have the bonus that people considering a life of crime might think twice. Rehabilitation is only useful when an individual wants to conform. It doesn't work by hoping it merely appeals to an individual's better nature. We have to mke the criminal want to conform and to that we treat him harshly, but fairly. Properly run prisons are the surest way of achieving that aim.

In short, retributive methods of punishment deter criminal activity.
 
mr big's who are in with the warders should bum all the little scrotes in the showers or greenhouse.














if they go back inside then they should be dry bummed.

so thats your homework done danny, if its not an A+ then theres also something wrong with the education system in this country, if you dont get full marks then tell the teacher that they are only one 'cos they couldnt get a proper job.
 
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Prison is a form retributive justice administered by society in order to punish wrongdoers. The victim of the criminal has had all her rights, and her very humanity, taken by the criminal. So we do the same back on her behalf. Prisoners can be made to undergo corrective treatment, made to face what they have done. Prison should not be a pleasant place for career criminals since it teaches them that their crime is somehow only just socially unacceptable. By punishing wrongdoers in a fairly aggressive manner, we also have the bonus that people considering a life of crime might think twice. Rehabilitation is only useful when an individual wants to conform. It doesn't work by hoping it merely appeals to an individual's better nature. We have to mke the criminal want to conform and to that we treat him harshly, but fairly. Properly run prisons are the surest way of achieving that aim.
In short, retributive methods of punishment deter criminal activity.

Couldn't agree more, the trick is getting them properly run. It's sad that the most talented people in our prisons are the criminals, they run rings around prison management. The answer is the one that government will least like. Put some money and support into the system. Recruit real professionals to run our prison service and have the balls to back them up when professional do gooders interfere. By all means ensure prisoners are treated fairly and with respect, but make sure they know they are being punnished enough to make them unwilling to risk prison again. I woudn't hold your breath though.
 

prison should be a good deterant but i cant see the benefit of imprisoning long term sickos like sutcliffe , brady , whiting , huntly etc.
there just a long term burden on resources which should be put to better use re-educating those who can be rehabilitated back into society.

some people abuse human rights so bad , they shouldnt be allowed any themselves.

if you take a life - the punishment should match.
 
British Jails are a [Poor language removed] joke, their no deterent what so ever. Now if some of these little dickheads went into a state prison in USA, they'd [Poor language removed] no about it!!
 
Terrible form of punishment the way we do it now, they get Sky tv in their room, PS3's and games to play and more luxuries in prison than most get outside of it. A couple of my family members are inside and they come out for a few weeks then go back because they have a gym and as much drugs as they want, whereas outside they can't afford these things

I say go back to the days of Papillon and the French, send 'em to a Devil's Island type of facility and they would never reoffend again
 
Terrible form of punishment the way we do it now, they get Sky tv in their room, PS3's and games to play and more luxuries in prison than most get outside of it. A couple of my family members are inside and they come out for a few weeks then go back because they have a gym and as much drugs as they want, whereas outside they can't afford these things

I say go back to the days of Papillon and the French, send 'em to a Devil's Island type of facility and they would never reoffend again

They'd never get out to reoffend. Not a bad idea for a lot of them (y)
 
Prison is a form retributive justice administered by society in order to punish wrongdoers. The victim of the criminal has had all her rights, and her very humanity, taken by the criminal. So we do the same back on her behalf. Prisoners can be made to undergo corrective treatment, made to face what they have done. Prison should not be a pleasant place for career criminals since it teaches them that their crime is somehow only just socially unacceptable. By punishing wrongdoers in a fairly aggressive manner, we also have the bonus that people considering a life of crime might think twice. Rehabilitation is only useful when an individual wants to conform. It doesn't work by hoping it merely appeals to an individual's better nature. We have to mke the criminal want to conform and to that we treat him harshly, but fairly. Properly run prisons are the surest way of achieving that aim.

In short, retributive methods of punishment deter criminal activity.

Cheers Neb, I have heavily discussed punishment models (
utilitarianism/consequentialist and retributivism etc), more now looking for specific strengths of imprisonment having already discussed weaknesses.
 

PSYCHOLOGY AND THE HISTORY OF IMPRISONMENT



Foucault once termed prison “the intelligence of discipline in stone.”[1] He argued further that the shape of that “intelligence”—the pattern of domination that prevailed in any society—was determined by the conceptual systems with which that society had become enamored. What was experienced as the “given” in any society during a particular age or epoch—the unquestioned status quo—was what gave certain people the power to limit the lives of certain others. But the historical given also established the boundaries of that power—how far the apparatus of social control could go before it violated prevailing conceptions of humane treatment. The discipline of psychology has been implicated at all levels in the process by which the institution of prison became part of the natural order of things. Ideas from the emerging discipline of psychology were intertwined with the very conception of confinement as an appropriate mechanism of social control that, in turn, originated the prison form. In the century and a half that has passed since imprisonment became the predominate response to criminal deviance in the United States, psychology has played an important practical and functional role in determining the shape and manner of prison operations. More recently, questionable applications of psychological theory and data were used (and misused) to help justify and rationalize the more expansively punitive use of imprisonment contemporary corrections. Yet, modern psychological theory was excluded from recent criminal justice decisionmaking at precisely the point at which it could have served as the basis for basic and progressive change. As I will argue, the discipline of psychology must play a central role in future attempts to create meaningful limits to prison pain.[2]

As numerous historians have documented, imprisonment did not become the modal criminal sanction until the nineteenth century. Before then, prisons and jails served primarily as holding facilities for pretrial detention and also to coerce debtors into paying their creditors. Thus, Hirsch has observed that prisons were “at bottom instrument(s) of coercion rather than sanction, intended to pry open the purse rather than to deter or rehabilitate welchers.”[3] England used banishment or “transportation” of convicts, first to the United States, and then to Australia throughout most of the 17th, 18th, and part of the 19th centuries.[4] Of course, the utility—even the necessity—of prisons was linked to the popular conception of criminality. As long as criminals were viewed—as they were through most of the 17th century—as persons who had “wandered astray,” as Hirsch put it, there was an internal limit to what the community could do to them. However, once criminals were perceived as out-and-out adversaries, “physical enforcement became a crucial vehicle for the prevention of crime.”[5] The increased use of prison along with reliance on a professional police force were by-products of this changed perspective.

Compared to English and European urban centers, the American Colonies of the seventeenth and eighteenth century were sparsely populated places whose mechanisms of social control concentrated more on “biblical” offenses (like adultery and blasphemy) than property crime. They distributed punishment (primarily fines and whipping) more evenly throughout all segments of society.[6] Later in American history, Beaumont and De Tocqueville recognized both the potential severity of the American prison system, and the necessity to define prisoners as “other” before subjecting them to it: “While society in the United States gives the example of the most extended liberty, the prisons of the same country offer the spectacle of the most complete despotism. The citizens subject to the law are protected by it; they only cease to be free when they become wicked.”[7]

Social consensus concerning the dimensions of the alleged wickedness of criminals underwent several transformations in the course of the nineteenth century, all of which were the subject of popular discourse and debate over the causes of crime, and some of which had important implications for prison policy and operations. Psychological theories figured in each transformation. Nineteenth-century American society was devoted to the concept of psychological individualism, and this devotion facilitated the creation of a vast prison system that allowed penal confinement to become the criminal justice system's response of first rather than last resort. Psychological individualism implied—and the nation came to believe—that individuals were the causal locus of behavior, that social deviance arose from some defect inside the person, and that its cure was therefore to be found in some significant change or alteration in individual or personal characteristics.[8] The use of prison—as the arena in which such change was to be coercively produced—seemed a logical extension of these prevailing views. Indeed, the widespread use of imprisonment seems to have been linked to an emerging popular belief in the perfectibility of human nature. In a related vein, Bender connected the rise of the penitentiary to changes in cultural meanings. In his view, belief in the “power of confinement to reshape personality” led to a restructuring of the penitentiary.[9] And, as Hirsch noted, “[t]he signal feature of incarceration is that it offers an unparalleled measure of control over the deviant, and rehabilitation has been deemed a process which demands such physical control in order to succeed.”[10]

Legal science during these years was joined with the emerging science of human behavior. Psychological theories played an important role in helping to legitimate prevailing prison policies. Its putative ties to a science of human behavior helped convince the public that the field of “corrections” deserved to be regarded not as manifestation of political expediency (i.e., the mere application of state power to the task of social control) but rather as “prison science.” Whether they premised their approach loosely around a genetic or biological theory like Lombroso's “born criminal type,”[11] or on one of the numerous “crime-as-sickness” and “moral disease” metaphors that were popular during these years,[12] prison advocates brought their work closer to the image of objective science, often borrowing directly from the increasing status and respectability of disciplines like psychology to do so. Thus, Zebulon Brockway, one of the major figures in the development of early American penology, could write credibly at the end of the century that “[p]rison science is working out… a methodical system of penology which is in accord with the true science of our common human nature.”[13]

In the first half of the twentieth century, the individualistic focus of penology and prison policy continued, but became even more explicitly psychological in nature. “Indeterminate” prison sentences (which premised release entirely upon a demonstration of personal transformation), juvenile courts (which shifted attention from the nature of the offense to a focus on the character of the child),[14] and probation officers (whose job was to observe and intervene in the lives of individual prisoners once they have been released from prison)[15] were all creations of this individual-centered, psychologically-oriented system. Each of these three innovations was designed to make explicit use of psychological information in its decisionmaking process, often relying directly upon psychological experts to do so. Prisons also began to employ practices like “quarantines” and other forms of classification whereby prisoners could be isolated, evaluated, graded, and then assigned according to their personal characteristics.

As Rothman noted, “t was within the framework of these procedures that psychiatrists and psychologists took up posts inside the prisons for the first time.”[16] Prison historian Elmer Barnes included the “extremely significant step” of creating a “psychological clinic” inside Sing Sing prison in the early 1900s as one of four “notable advances in penology” made by the New York prison system over the preceding century.[17] Even during this initial period, however, the real impact of psychologists upon prison treatment and institutional routines was limited both by their narrow role and by their relatively small numbers. In Rothman's words: “The presence of psychiatrists and psychologists on the prison payrolls was of more symbolic than real importance, their credentials lending a legitimacy to incarceration without their services altering routines.”[18]

At the same time, however, although “historically the prison doctor's concern with mental health was for the purpose of diagnosis rather than treatment,” it was also the case that “n both the physical and mental sphere” the prison doctor was “charged with the task of refereeing the punitive excesses of those who administered the penal system.”[19] Again, Rothman is instructive about what he termed “the rub” concerning the limited impact of psychological services:

It was not only that one psychiatrist or psychologist could accomplish very little with three hundred or five hundred inmates. Even had the staff been larger, the contributions would have remained minimal. Psychiatrists might provide an elaborate case history and, perhaps, a recommendation for treatment. The institution, however, had no way to respond.[20]

Yet, this underscored the limited but not unimportant role that psychologists continued to play in the prison system. On the one hand, their presence helped to legitimize prison practices as science or therapy (despite their relatively modest impact on actual programs and policies), while on the other hand they acted as a modest restraining force against the harshest aspects of the penal system.

From time to time in the course of the twentieth century, prison therapy programs would attain some real prominence inside specific institutions or even entire prison systems. For the most part, however, an uneasy truce persisted in which—in the name of rehabilitation—prison psychologists were granted some autonomy over very limited therapy or treatment programs. The therapeutic or treatment function of the institution was virtually always subjugated to the mandates of the prison’s perceived security or custody needs. The presence of psychologists served to certify the scientifically legitimate nature of the enterprise, to underscore the individual-centered nature of the problem of crime (conveying the clear message that crime was a product of the pathology of criminals), but also to place limits on how far the security function of the institution could be taken in the name of managing and controlling prisoners. To be sure, the noble goal of rehabilitation was always balanced against—some said, compromised by—the need to maintain order, even to punish, but there was a balance. Rehabilitation also justified the presence of psychologists at high levels of prison administration and national committees on prison policy, where they could exercise at least some influence over penal practices and voice humanitarian concerns.

However, in the beginning of the 1970s all this began to change. Psychological theory was displaced from any position of real influence inside prisons and hopes of using psychology to establish and shape more humane penal policies were at least temporarily dashed. This displacement occurred at a time when the discipline of psychology could have provided a more theoretically-grounded and effective restraining edge to harsh prison policies and a more sophisticated intellectual critique of the effects of deteriorated prison conditions. Indeed, psychology was ushered out of the intellectual analyses, policy debates, and out of the institutions themselves just as theories were emerging in the discipline that would have posed fundamental challenges to the prison status quo. Shifts in the way in which the discipline of psychology conceptualized social behavior—ones emphasizing the importance of social history, context, and situation—promised a profound reorientation in the way in which the legal and penal systems understood the role of prison in an overall strategy of crime control, and the importance of prison conditions and post-release environments to subsequent reoffending. But the reorientation never materialized.

Never wrote it myself GOT but thought it may be of interest
 
Couldn't agree more, the trick is getting them properly run. It's sad that the most talented people in our prisons are the criminals, they run rings around prison management. The answer is the one that government will least like. Put some money and support into the system. Recruit real professionals to run our prison service and have the balls to back them up when professional do gooders interfere. By all means ensure prisoners are treated fairly and with respect, but make sure they know they are being punnished enough to make them unwilling to risk prison again. I woudn't hold your breath though.

Exactly, we want to rehabilitate people, to make them productive members of society but we don't achieve that by treating them as though they are suffering from some kind of sickness, which is how lot people approach the question of reform. These people do not need curing, they need changing.

It might be true that X had a [Poor language removed] life, a mother that abused him, was taught to shoplift at two years old and has never had a decent days education in his life. But until X is made to face the fact that his criminal activity will not, under any circumstances, be tolerated, then he will never be made into a productive member of society. Treat them harshly, withing certain boundaries of course, and gradually move prisoners into a system where they can begin to learn skills that will give them options in life.

But one thing not to be forgotten, is that every prisoner that leaves prison should be desperate never to return to it. It should not be seen as an easy option, as just part of the life of a criminal. When prison becomes a soft option, we've lost the battle.

One more thing, in your post you allude to how prisons are run. At the moment the tougher establishment are run by the inmates, as well as the authorities. We have two systems running side by side. This can not continue. The prison belongs to society. Involving oneself in gang culture on the inside should be seen as a very serious offence and if proved, should carry stiff penalties. We divide and rule, it's the only way.

And guess what, I reckon most people who go to prison under these circumstances will have better lives as a result.

Obviously it's a bit more complicated than all that. But the model for prison, and for what it should achieve, should start from that basis.

Back to basics on this one. It's ultimately the progressive thing to do.
 
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Prison? Rehabilitiation?

Screw that.

Steal a car - Death penalty.

Burglary - Death penalty.

Elderly loitering on a park bench - Death Penalty.

Elderly loitering on a park bench with walking cane - Worse than the death penalty. I don't know what that is but I'm sure we could come up with something. Maybe like torture then death penalty.

I see another potential paper in the offing Danny. Glad I could be of help. (y)
 
Prison? Rehabilitiation?

Screw that.

Steal a car - Death penalty.

Burglary - Death penalty.

Elderly loitering on a park bench - Death Penalty.

Elderly loitering on a park bench with walking cane - Worse than the death penalty. I don't know what that is but I'm sure we could come up with something. Maybe like torture then death penalty. kill the family for good measure, send a real signal out to loiterers.

I see another potential paper in the offing Danny. Glad I could be of help. (y)

Imprisonment is too soft IMO, and the travesty of looking after the Bradeys and Hindleys of this world just defies logic. As for the Bulger killers, that they have had millions spent on them as reward for their heinous crime just underlines the ineptitude of so-called-justice in the UK today.

Albert Pierrepoint knew his business.
 

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