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Advantages/Strengths of Prisons as a form of punishment

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What are you comparing imprisonment too? are you writing about the advantages / strengths of imprisonment vs the death penalty, or some other form?

anyways, you hit on the biggies, retribution, deterrence, and removal from society. Make sure you note that retribution and deterrence are completely separate ideas (though one is often conducive to the other). Retribution implies that the punishment is an end in itself, that you are simply canceling out the negative action by punishing the person who did it (crudely an eye for an eye). detterence on the other hand treats punishment as a means to an end, we punish people so that not only will the individual be deterred from committing future crime, but also so others who are aware of the potential punishment will not want to commit crimes.

Pretty much every legal system in an industrialized democracy has a mix of all three elements involved in their prison system.

if your paper is about the Prisons versus the death penalty, than a good strength to focus on is the ability to undo a punishment. Obviously you can't give someone back the time they served, but you can at least set them free if they are found innocent later, whereas you can never bring a man back to life.
 
Just imprisonment. Couldnt go into great detail or post what I have done but have mentioned all that, even Lex Talionis[FONT=&quot] '[/FONT]the eye for an eye', just was struggling for other advantages for prisons. Seem all set now though.
 
Prison is a form retributive justice administered by society in order to punish wrongdoers. The victim of the criminal has had all her rights, and her very humanity, taken by the criminal. So we do the same back on her behalf. Prisoners can be made to undergo corrective treatment, made to face what they have done. Prison should not be a pleasant place for career criminals since it teaches them that their crime is somehow only just socially unacceptable. By punishing wrongdoers in a fairly aggressive manner, we also have the bonus that people considering a life of crime might think twice. Rehabilitation is only useful when an individual wants to conform. It doesn't work by hoping it merely appeals to an individual's better nature. We have to mke the criminal want to conform and to that we treat him harshly, but fairly. Properly run prisons are the surest way of achieving that aim.

In short, retributive methods of punishment deter criminal activity.
I would describe Capital punishment as a retributive method of punishment and looking at States in the US where it's employed I wouldn't say it's an effective deterrant.
I agree that properly run prisons are the surest way of achieving the aim they are set up for.
Anyway back on topic. Yer man has asked us for ideas on the advantages so sorry for leaning into a debate type thing.

I would say that (in theory at least) prisons do offer a certain scope for dishing out varied forms of punishment/rehabilitation. You do have your low and high level security penitentiaries; instalations set up specifically for violent criminals and open prisons for lesser offenders. Workshops and education facilities are available and so prisons would seem to be the ideal. Obviously taking into account logistic problems which are obviously due to lack of funding
 
What are you comparing imprisonment too? are you writing about the advantages / strengths of imprisonment vs the death penalty, or some other form?

anyways, you hit on the biggies, retribution, deterrence, and removal from society. Make sure you note that retribution and deterrence are completely separate ideas (though one is often conducive to the other). Retribution implies that the punishment is an end in itself, that you are simply canceling out the negative action by punishing the person who did it (crudely an eye for an eye). detterence on the other hand treats punishment as a means to an end, we punish people so that not only will the individual be deterred from committing future crime, but also so others who are aware of the potential punishment will not want to commit crimes.

Pretty much every legal system in an industrialized democracy has a mix of all three elements involved in their prison system.

if your paper is about the Prisons versus the death penalty, than a good strength to focus on is the ability to undo a punishment. Obviously you can't give someone back the time they served, but you can at least set them free if they are found innocent later, whereas you can never bring a man back to life.

That's an nice little analysis, although you missed out rehabilitation, which has tended to dominate theory from 1960s until recently. In truth, most systems tend to draw on ideas from all theories, although one "theory" tends to dominate at the crux of the problem. The clearest thing is that Joe Public is not a fan of prison merely as a means to make people "better" or to "rehabilitate" them. Joe wants his slice of revenge for what he sees is a public wrong. He sees crime, or should I say victimising crime, as more than just a violation of Jane's rights and humanity. Personally I think Joe is onto something. We all are harmed by the career criminal's wrongdoing. Even if he does not violate each of us personally, he promotes a world in which we are afraid of being the victim of his acts. When you add that consequence to Jane's' suffering and torment, it strikes me that is justifiable that the state takes a little retribution on all our behalf, although especially on behalf of his physical victims.

Retributive theories have in the past suffered from bad image. And quite rightly so in the its crudest form. However, the new retributivists tends to approach the theory from a liberal perspective.; that is, whilst punishment is still an end in itself, there are also other desirable ends that can be achieved such as rehabilitation. Ultimately, unless society is going to lock up every wrongdoer for the whole of their lives, we still have the problem of what happens to these people when they return to society.

As such, it seems sensible, and I think the moral thing to do, to ensure that the hardened criminal is given the tools to cope with life outside of prison. With that mind, there have to be opportunities available for prisoners on the inside. These can be things like access to education, learning a trade, learning to build confidence and on, and on, and on. This is where we have to depart from commonsense views on retributive punishment. It might sound to some that we are not really punishing at all, but rewarding crime. We are giving criminals opportunities that some people on the outside do not have. To a degree, we ought to bite the bullet on that and accept that we are going extra lengths with these people, and for good consequential and deontological reasons. The punishment might be an end in itself, but the prisoner is also a human being and should never be treated merely as a means to an end (I think Kant might have said something like that :lol:)

But we're also not forgetting Joe and Jane's ounce of flesh, and they're going to get it. The regime needs to be harsh, although not vicious. Plenty of physical exercise, stringent rules that if broken, are backed up by punishment. No gang culture can be tolerated. Prisoners must work, and for no pay. They don't have access to a myriad of entertainments because in our prisons they are too busy to lounge around watching TV. They wake up, shower, go to work, exercise and go to bed. As a prisoner progresses he is gradually moved to a mellower regime which begins to encompass his rehabilitation. In this system he is made to feel important because we believe that his chance of a productive life is very important end to pursue. We give him the attention he deserves and equip him with the tools necessary for life on the outside. If he shows disinterest, he's back to the hard regime.

So we get the two following theories in play: Retribution; first and foremost; and rehabilitation as a follow up, which is the icing on the cake. Obviously, we also achieve a deterring factor in that many people would like to avoid my prison, and we have removed a dangerous criminal from society, which has to be a good thing.
 
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Shoot the bastards, dont even put them in an electric chair, save the money on the eleccy bill, just shoot the bastards. Saves millions of money that can be spent on people who deserve it.

Obviously if the crime is minor like a little chav throwin a brick at a fire engine, stone the ****. Life of Brian style.

The likes of Shipman and Huntley, why they persistant on keeping them alive? just shoot the ****.
 

Jeremy Bentham had a good idea. I've got a feeling that there would be something about a "right to privacy" these days, though. :D

Panopticon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although it is regarding prison design rather than what prison might achieve. Although his design would certainly achieve a degree of paranoia. :lol:

Mentioned Bentham indepth with him being the founder of utilitarianism.

Although the panopticon was never built as intended, it has served as a blue print for a lot of very similar prisons...

One of several;

panopticon.jpg


And even back then, the issue of privacy was the main criticism of the panopticon from people like Foucault (y)
 
Mentioned Bentham indepth with him being the founder of utilitarianism.

Although the panopticon was never built as intended, it has served as a blue print for a lot of very similar prisons...

One of several;

panopticon.jpg


And even back then, the issue of privacy was the main criticism of the panopticon from people like Foucault (y)

That looks a very private prison. Scarey stuff.
 
Mentioned Bentham indepth with him being the founder of utilitarianism.

Although the panopticon was never built as intended, it has served as a blue print for a lot of very similar prisons...

One of several;

panopticon.jpg


And even back then, the issue of privacy was the main criticism of the panopticon from people like Foucault (y)

It's funny when you see the blueprint for the Panopticon, and understand exactly how it would work, and then add to that the fact that Bentham was one of the most progressive liberals of his time, you see how much our attitude towards the rights of the imprisoned have changed.

Bentham wasn't a great thinker to be honest. Mill made a much better argument for utilitarianism than he. Still, as an overriding theory, it was always doomed to failure for obvious reasons. And to be honest, Mill just thought he was a utilitarian. The evidence (On Liberty) says that at best he was a "rule" utilitarian, which isn't really utilitarianism at all, at least not in my book.

But aspects of it; that is, the greater good, the weighing up of pain and pleasure, are useful tools to use when weighing up what is to be done.
 
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