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2021/22 Allan

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MikeH72 said:
Not being funny but are there any good players on that list? Is Norgaard now a top class defensive midfielder?
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Why would you expect the tackles leaders to be "top class"? The highest paid players are at the biggest clubs, who tend to dominate possession against everyone except each other. The players that have the most tackles are likely to have three attributes in common - they play for clubs that don't have much of the ball, they've played a lot of minutes in most/all of the matches so far, and they play in the areas of the pitch where the ball tends to be at any given time.

If we wanted to understand who is legitimately good at making tackles, we would have to figure out how to measure the number and quality of a player's opportunities (how close the player is when the ball is received) to tackle. Then, we could say something about who positions themselves well, as well as how often they convert those opportunities.

If we really wanted to understand, we'd also have to figure out how to account for the quality of players surrounding and opposing the would-be tackler, as well as what they've been tasked with. If a player is responsible for denying acres of pitch, they're not going to make a lot of tackles. A midfielder responsible for man-marking an opposition attacker all game should (I devoutly hope) produce a lot of tackles, relative to one who is covering a zone that the opposition is trying to find space in.

A good analogy is pass coverage in American football, where this is much more easily measured. A great cornerback who plays for a long time will have a lot of interceptions. An insanely great one will not, because no quarterback in his right mind will throw the ball in his direction for fear of the ball being intercepted.

TL;DR: Look at this stat this way. Playing against Messi, a player gets a lot of opportunities to make tackles, but also a lot of opportunities to look stupid. Playing against Rondon provides little to no opportunity to make a tackle or intercept a pass, but any player who gets the opportunity should be much more likely to convert.
 

Pundits often go about elite managers and their above-average abilities. Many reckon that Ancelotti and Benitez are such. They then go and sign people lie Allan - a 29 year old mediocrity with no pace, goals, or resale value- and Roldan who is insultingly bad.
I thought after the transfer disasters of Koeman and Fat Sam that Carlo would be the man but he was piss poor as well. My favourite rant is that the elite managers know nothing and as the old line goes: nobody know nothing.
 
MikeH72 said:
Not being funny but are there any good players on that list? Is Norgaard now a top class defensive midfielder?
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He plays for Denmark who are ranked higher than Germany and Holland, so he can't be that bad. Gueye used to be second only to Kante for this stat and we lauded him.

Because Allan doesn't fit everyone's doom and gloom rhetoric it is considered a meaninglessness stat. Ask the teams represented by those players how important they are to them. Very is the answer, but to some here, Allan isn't very good, isn't important to us and it is a meaningless stat.

FFS, why can't we ever grasp and build on some sort of positivity?
 

I find it bizarre some people dont rate Allan.

Its a bit like Barry in a way...how would he do in a 2 playing for this team --, about as well as he did against Germany for England.

Allan needs players around him and to work within a pressing style wheres hes off the leash.

In a similar fashion to Digne, hes being leashed and left isolated against players which exposes his weaknesses.

If we are going to continue playing with 2 in midfield he along with every midfielder bar Doucoure and Onyango need to be sold.
 
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Zatara said:
I find it bizarre some people dont rate Allan.

Its a bit like Barry in a way...how would he do in a 2 playing for this team --, about as well as he did against Germany for England.

Allan needs players around him and to work within a pressing style wheres hes off the leash.

In a similar fashion to Digne, hes being leashed and left isolated against players which exposes his weaknesses.

If we are going to continue playing with 2 in midfield he along with every midfielder bar Doucoure and Onyango need to be sold.
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It’s madness. Even when doing the job of three: his and whoever else is in the midfield when it’s not doucoure, he is still one of the best players on the pitch. We don’t win Monday without his tackle, strength and forward pass.
 

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