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2019/20 Andre Gomes

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PhilM said:
We play Southampton next week. If Mina tugs on Ings shirt causing him to fall and accident break his ankle, does Mina deserve a red?

The consequence is the same. The offence, pulling on the shirt even though it’s not a direct causation, has promoted him to be seriously injured.
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I can see that you’re an intelligent bloke so I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse or I’m just not making myself clear.

Son’s tackle, in my opinion, can be deemed reckless. He’s left the ground, his studs are up, he’s lunging at a player with no intention of playing the ball. I think he intends to hurt him - not badly, just superficially - rather than making a tactical foul. It’s a yellow for the actual tackle, not for stopping a break. Because of the nature of the foul it is not unreasonable to say he has endangered a player, because he wasn’t in control of the situation.

In your example, Mina would be in control of the situation, making a tactical foul Is different, it’s only a yellow because you stopped the attack, not for the foul. Tugging a shirt cannot ever really be seen as reckless. A better example would be if Mina shoved him in the back, and the player went over the advertising hoardings, collided with another player or the post, getting hurt in the process. In that case yes, I think a red would be justified.
 
Keiran said:
I’m not siding with any media narrative. I was pulled up on my use of the word “innocuous challenge” which is why I quoted that particular piece of text - I didn’t say I agreed with it.

I was explaining that it’s a fairly common phrase within Football, particularly in Sports journalism. No more, no less.
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So why quote it if you dont agree with it.

Absolutely pointless you nugget.

But then again you knew that didnt you.
 
Dont understand the decision to overturn the red at all. Not even going to attempt to see it from a different perspective having seen the build up to the injury, no doubt in my mind he went in with the intention of fouling Gomes and it was from behind, no attempt to play the ball. Letter of the law hes bang to rights being sent off for endangering another players safety. Also bang to rights were; the penalty for foul on Richarlison, Sanchez foul as last man and the Ali handball.

The lack of consistency in refereeing in just one half of football is beyond inept. Its a complete circus at the moment yet this merry band of clowns will still be involved in more "top flight" games this weekend and we will no doubt still be having these conversations after it.

For me the club should be using this as an opportunity to instill that siege mentality, 17th in the league, everything is going against us, key players crocked. We need something to help us turn the corner. Politely getting on with it without kicking up a stink is only going to encourage these sorts of decisions and allow us to continue to be walked over.

Anyway, good news with the surgery and the prognosis of full recovery. Hope we see him back in blue asap as hes a key player for us and appears to be a genuinely top top bloke.
 
JLW said:
Mate If one of our players done that tackle to Son or in the derby with the same outcome to an opposing player I’m pretty sure many many more would be saying the tackle weren’t that bad it was the way he fell!!
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I don’t doubt it, but that’s not the point is it? All I’m saying is that there’s a rational argument that it’s a red, and making out that there isn’t is weird.
 
Undisputed_blue said:
Frankly, I'm sick of FA's decisions going against Everton. An Everton would have been given a several games ban had it been the other way round. One rule for one and another rule for Everton. VARS a joke and the FA a joke.

I think the first step is create a thread where we can record all the corrupt decisions made by the FA and their Officials so that we can never forget their illogical decisions.
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Dont think GOT has enough room for all the injustices mate.
 

blulouie said:
So why quote it if you dont agree with it.

Absolutely pointless you nugget.

But then again you knew that didnt you.
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As I explained, I quoted it to show that the phrase “Innocuous Challenge” is used widely and I hadn’t used it incorrectly.

I wouldn’t normally have done it, but I was pulled up by someone who suggested I’d used the word incorrectly.

Thankfully, we’ve drawn a line in the sand now, we’ve all moved on.
 
Undisputed_blue said:
Frankly, I'm sick of FA's decisions going against Everton. An Everton would have been given a several games ban had it been the other way round. One rule for one and another rule for Everton. VARS a joke and the FA a joke.

I think the first step is create a thread where we can record all the corrupt decisions made by the FA and their Officials so that we can never forget their illogical decisions.
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Let’s start with Niasse retrospectively banned for diving and file next to Mane, I mean madness.
 
Keiran said:
As I explained, I quoted it to show that the phrase “Innocuous Challenge” is used widely and I hadn’t used it incorrectly.

I wouldn’t normally have done it, but I was pulled up by someone who suggested I’d used the word incorrectly.

Thankfully, we’ve drawn a line in the sand now, we’ve all moved on.
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Having read what you posted ...you were wrong .
Trying to justify it by saying the media use it doesnt make it right....in fact you are then doubley wrong.
 
blulouie said:
Having read what you posted ...you were wrong .
Trying to justify it by saying the media use it doesnt make it right....in fact you are then doubley wrong.
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Fair enough, you’ve got me there. I concede.

On this occasion, I’m doubley wrong.
 

In light of this most wise FA decision, it is clear to me that the following now needs to happen...

• Everton should continue with the apparently already-in-place plan to ensure relegation, removing their obvious stain from the otherwise perfect Premier League;

• That nasty Mr Gomes needs to apologise to that nice Mr Son RIGHT NOW for the dangerous way he placed his ankle in the way of his heel - Mr Son could have been SERIOUSLY hurt FFS, and;

• Mr Gomes should accept all other players’ red cards, bans and fines for the next millennium.

Would the last lunatic to leave the asylum kindly turn off the lights (straitjacket permitting)? Thanks so much... :coffee:
 

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