2020/21 Andre Gomes

[Saint Domingo]

But Richarlison runs to the exact area Gomes would run. He is just 10-15 yard ahead of him, so as Richarlison was almost caght, Gomes (or anyone else) would have been, wouldn't they?

I judge Gomes as with anyone else as objectively as I can. I've been critical, I thought he was awful in the derby for example. Yesterday though, for half an hour he should have had 2 assists if our strikers new how to finish and/or vaguely time a run. They all came from him pressing opponents, winning the ball back and putting it on a plate. I am not going to slaughter someone if they create 2 great opportunities in 30 minutes. Thats on the forwards.

Richarlison and Calvert Lewin let us down yesterday. Yes they have credit in the bank, but the defeat rests at their door.

Just to add, he wasn't miles offside either. He was marginally offside, probably half a yard. If he'd had just laid off the speed when Gomes went to pass it, he would have been easily onside.

Im inclined to agree that Gomes probably had a split second to make the decision and therefore banked on Richalrison timing his run. It wasnt though and this the chance was gone. My slight contention is that a more confident midfielder carries that forward and perhaps commits a final man before slotting an even better ball through to Richy. Had he been inside there was still an awful lot for Richalrison to do. So I can see why Gomes did it, but it also looked to me like a sign of a player with no confidence and just looking to play a safe option .

 

[catcherintherye]

You just seem determined to make this all his fault, when quite clearly Gomes didn't do very well. You're making really bizarre excuses to make the whole thing Richarlison's fault which just makes it come across like you have a real dislike of him or a bit of a thing for Gomes. Honestly, saying that Gomes should ignore the evidence of his own eyes and believe that Richarlison is onside when he clearly isn't, just because you would expect him to be onside in that position, is one of the most breathtakingly one eyed summaries of a situation i've ever seen.

If thats how it comes across thats not the case at all. I was very critical of Gomes after the derby, which got a bit of a pass because we won and understandably people don't want to be.

I find the outlook that the incident is 100% Gomes's as some have suggested wrong. Or not wrong, but I don't agree with it. I see Richarlison is at least partially, or if I'm honesty mostly to blame. I don't have a dislike for him either, it's just a view on that particular incident. Overall, I think Richarlison has been great for us.

A midfield player is programmed to win the ball, see a strikers run, and make a pass. I can understand the view that maybe he should have taken a moment and looked up to see and made a judgement call. I would also say, at top level sport, the expectation is that people do their job properly. The best teams I played in, at the best level, worked to the belief that they expected you to do your job. The winger would put balls into a dangerous area and expected a forward to arrive. A forward would run into a danger area and expect the player to deliver. From a defensive standpoint, you would be expected to position yourself ahead of the "last man".

You hear it a lot from the 85 team too. Southall would expect to make saves. He'd expect to save the team 10-15 points a season as par. I would expect, in that incident, for a forward to keep himself onside.

If it comes across that I love Gomes, or hate Richarlison, neither is true. It's honestly just my opinion on that specific incident. I really don't put it all on Gomes. If others do, thats fine too. It's a forum, people have different views, it would be boring if we all agreed!

 

[catcherintherye]

Im inclined to agree that Gomes probably had a split second to make the decision and therefore banked on Richalrison timing his run. It wasnt though and this the chance was gone. My slight contention is that a more confident midfielder carries that forward and perhaps commits a final man before slotting an even better ball through to Richy. Had he been inside there was still an awful lot for Richalrison to do. So I can see why Gomes did it, but it also looked to me like a sign of a player with no confidence and just looking to play a safe option .

If we look at him carrying it though, Richarlison makes completely the wrong run for that doesn't he? Watch Antonio's run yesterday for Lingards goal, it's a run of a player taking a defender away, and opening the space. Richarlison doesn't make this run, it's the run of a player who wants the ball threaed through to him.

Had he ran to his left and looked to take the defender away, I would be in complete agreement. But he doesn't do that.

Gomes wins the balls, looks up, sees Richarlison's run and will then look down and make the pass, and probably believe Richarlison will just hold off a touch to stay onside (as Calvert Lewin did against Liverpool).

It may well be that Gomes lacks confidence as well. And I could be reading it completely wrong, and Gomes could have been awful, but I'm not comfortable crucifying someone because he passed to a guy who had gone full throttle to run half a yard offside.

 

[JMT]

I'm only going from my memory when it happened but it was 1 defender on Richarlison who was 10 yards ahead of him so if Gomes runs into the space on the right he draws the defender to him and then he can slide Richarlison in but it just goes to show why Gomes has barely any goals or assists, He shy's away and just hope others do the business.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Who wouldn't be sure, Gomes or Richarlison?

A key part of being a good forward is to be able to time your runs. He just went at full pelt into an offside position. I found that really odd. Not his night last night, but I'm sure he will come good.

I was talking about me and watching the action. If it’s a close offside which you seem to think it was. You’re unsure until you see a reply. When it’s well off you know straight away, like I did in that situation.

Maybe I need to watch it again, but you’re making out that Gomes won the ball then the split second it took him to pass it. Richarlison sprinted into an offside position from being level. That’s not how I saw it. And like I said knew straight away he was off.

And when I saw the reply I was saying to my daughter that’s really poor from Gomes, why didn’t he take it on himself, surely he knew Richarlison was offside.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I'm baffled that people still try and defend him as being a decent player, he is awful.

I'd much rather we give one of the younger lads a chance than continue to start him. When you see him and Davies as the starting pair in midfield, you know we are going to struggle to keep hold of the ball; or win it back.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Footballing wise he is indistinguishable from Tom Cleverley

 

[billyblue80]

Actually put a through ball yesterday Richy should have scored from. Five mins later he has done his hammy. Andre that.

 

[LocalNative]

Actually put a through ball yesterday Richy should have scored from. Five mins later he has done his hammy. Andre that.

Shhh that doesn't fit the narrative that he's crap.

The level of abuse he gets is absolutely outrageous. Been more comments in this thread today than Richarlison's who played the full 90 and fluffed 3-4 great chances to win us the game. Gomes has overtaken Sigurdsson as the scapegoat now when one poor pass to offside Richarlison aside he done nothing wrong.

 

[MikeH72]

Shhh that doesn't fit the narrative that he's crap.

The level of abuse he gets is absolutely outrageous. Been more comments in this thread today than Richarlison's who played the full 90 and fluffed 3-4 great chances to win us the game. Gomes has overtaken Sigurdsson as the scapegoat now when one poor pass to offside Richarlison aside he done nothing wrong.

Another complete fantasy. At least 3 passes he gave away made me laugh out loud.

 

[the golden visionary]

Another complete fantasy. At least 3 passes he gave away made me laugh out loud.

Hes been either really poor or very good since he came back from his injury. Unfortunately the ratio seems to be 1 good game in 5 and its increasing

 

[LABlue2]

I thought it was a poor decision and lazy not to take the ball closer to goal instead of passing forward to Richarlison. Gomes had no one within 15 yards of him.

 

[sageyefc]

Been aright since the turn of the year, be okay as a back up next year

 

[GwladysBlue]

He’s just very, very average. He has a good game followed by about 10 terrible ones.

Praying Wolves fancy adding another Portuguese to their ranks so we can get rid of him.

 

[billyblue80]

Shhh that doesn't fit the narrative that he's crap.

The level of abuse he gets is absolutely outrageous. Been more comments in this thread today than Richarlison's who played the full 90 and fluffed 3-4 great chances to win us the game. Gomes has overtaken Sigurdsson as the scapegoat now when one poor pass to offside Richarlison aside he done nothing wrong.

He's not crap he is just average and suits a different league. We need dynamism and power Andre has neither