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Are we all becoming woke snowflakes?

Are we all becoming woke snowflakes

  • Yes, life is for living, not about being permanently offended

    Votes: 58 55.8%

  • No, we must fight against the red faced bloaters

    Votes: 42 40.4%

  • Cheese on Owen Jones

    Votes: 16 15.4%
  • Total voters
    104
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Just because the topic was around Peterson and the YouTube comments to his Muslim video, I’ll repost my earlier comment.

Amw79 said:
Quick summary.

Peterson aims to unite followers of the book (in this case the Abrahamic texts), and wants Muslims to stop fighting with each other, and with those of other religions. A noble aim, although I think peace in the Middle East may not be fully solved by this 6 minute vid.

A bit worryingly, it could be interpreted as a call for more recruits in the culture war that his career depends so highly depends on.

He talks about ‘the degenerate, woke, politically correct, neo-Marxists ideas which is part of a satanic impulse within’, which sounds maybe a touch hyperbolic, although for balance, he does say the individuals who carry those ideas are not the enemy.

The thrust of it is for the religious to stop their petty disagreements between each other and unite to fight against ‘the real problem’, which would be the culture war, woke, trans etc etc.

The comments are quite funny though, most are along the lines of ‘wow, this guy says we have more in common than what separates us, and if we communicate together then we can improve our relations. What an original idea, he’s a genius.’
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davids said:
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I get the comparison, but he has tens-of-thousands of mostly-muslim folk commenting positively about the need for everyone to get along.

So in that respect his communication is quite effective.


I hope we can all agree it is a good thing he's trying to push?


JimmyJeffers said:
The comments section on any online video or article can be used as empirical evidence.
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They can be used to gauge general sentiment, and are no less accurate than opinion polls.


AsiaAsia82 said:
I don’t understand people who are offended on behalf of other people.
Also people who apologies for something on behalf of everyone else when most people don’t actually care.
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Yeah, online seems to amplify the terrified and offended.


trueblue84 said:
A bit of a long one... I actually don't mind Jordan Peterson.

I've listened to some of his audio books and podcasts (the Stephen fry one is good) and while I don't like how heavily he leans on theology, and how it influences his thinking, he is clearly an intelligent fella who is well read.

Where I disagree with him is that he seems to like playing agent provocateur, which is fine in a reasoned and rational society (my opinion is that no topic should be taboo and we should be able to put forward an extreme counter view with the goal of sparking debate). However, his views are often picked up by the extremist groups (and morons) who take his words as gospel and hold him up as some sort of guru.

That in itself is not his fault, and if he is truly doing what he does with that purist view that no debate should be stifled then it is hard to criticise him. I think it's similar to how Elon musk is worshiped by idiots like some kind of God because he is "just like Tony stark", posts memes on twitter and one of his companies made a flamethrower. It says more about the dolts who follow them, to be honest.

However, he needs to be aware of his profile and influence and should also be aware that people deliberately misuse his words, sometimes with violent consequences. Sadly, l think he is well aware but has such a purist view in freedom of speech that he sees how others act on them as nothing more than collateral damage.
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Solid balanced post, nice one.


Amw79 said:
Just because the topic was around Peterson and the YouTube comments to his Muslim video, I’ll repost my earlier comment.
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Like I said to davids above, he's managing to genuinely help people find guidance, and in this video alone has tens-of-thousands of supportive comments from Muslim individuals who feel emboldened by his positive message.

You have to consider this message is not for you, it's for Muslims.

JP is doing a lot of good, but he's not perfect. He says some stupid stuff too. But in this age of dramatic polarisation I reckon his good work outweighs the bad.
 
dholliday said:
I get the comparison, but he has tens-of-thousands of mostly-muslim folk commenting positively about the need for everyone to get along.

So in that respect his communication is quite effective.


I hope we can all agree it is a good thing he's trying to push?



They can be used to gauge general sentiment, and are no less accurate than opinion polls.



Yeah, online seems to amplify the terrified and offended.



Solid balanced post, nice one.



Like I said to davids above, he's managing to genuinely help people find guidance, and in this video alone has tens-of-thousands of supportive comments from Muslim individuals who feel emboldened by his positive message.

You have to consider this message is not for you, it's for Muslims.

JP is doing a lot of good, but he's not perfect. He says some stupid stuff too. But in this age of dramatic polarisation I reckon his good work outweighs the bad.
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