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Match Thread Aston Villa v Everton - Preview, Match Report and MotM Poll

Everton Man of the Match

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Sheedy's right knee. said:
Who,do you have then, we need to pick at least one.
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I’m not saying it’s the managers fault for picking them…. They’re his only options ..

I’m pointing out that if they’re anyone’s only options then that team cannot expect to win games.

All of them are poor in terms of contributions , doucs and gana are two of the most wasteful players in terms of possession.

Onanna is a passenger and Iwobi offers nothing other than running.

All of them have poor decision making and our midfield gets passed through with easy on a weekly basis
 
Dyche's tactics and team selection is off especially as McNeil is out. If he selects Keane anywhere other than up front again, we should consider getting rid. Shoehorning Garner on the wing clearly doesn't work. We were too narrow which gave Digne oceans of space to whip crosses in. Think we'd know the dangers of one of our ex players. He weren't great towards the end of his time with us, but I'd take him back no doubt.

Feels crap right now but when McNeil is back on the wing we "should" get better. The DCL slander is slanderous. Danjuma looked lively at least. Must start next game.

Wolves at home should be fun. Probably end 0-1 with both teams with xG of 5.12. Ait Nouri at the back post again.
 

The worry is that even with players who are supposedly not as good as other squads, they don't look anywhere near as interested as they should do. Unfortunately, that is football now - the players know that if they get relegated, a move to the Premier League or abroad is likely to follow so in terms of really fighting for the badge, it doesn't happen anymore. And it is the football fans who it affects. Out of our current squad, who is actually passionate about doing well for Everton? Pickford and Coleman maybe.

In the 90s, even though we were absolutely useless in terms of quality, I remember always loving Everton players because they seemed to fight and try. Not this lot.

Yesterday was as bad as it has been but I have said that so many times in the past 5 years. But for all of that, I don't think changing the manager is the appropriate move. I think a lot of yesterday was on Dyche and I hope the players receive a hammering for their efforts yesterday. However, I do think he will keep us up. And I think he will do that each year whilst working on a shoestring budget. We get rid of Dyche and get Potter in which is what I have seen from a few on Twitter, what happens when Potter doesn't get it right after 3-6 months like at Chelsea - sack him and get someone else?

And as much as it frustrated me with DCL getting injured, and Keane not being good enough and Onana who should be performing much better than he did, it saddens me that we will get tarnished with the same brush for some fans whose behaviour behind a screen is disgusting.
 

davek said:
On the money that.

Everton have heeded none of last season’s very loud warnings – they are in massive trouble already​

Dave Tickner

A philosophical question: precisely how many teams is it possible to fear for when it is still only August 20?

Absolutely everyone is very correctly already fearing – they really are – for Luton, Sheffield United and Wolves. But it’s absolutely impossible not to lump Sean Dyche’s Everton in there with them after a truly horrifying 4-0 defeat at Aston Villa that was somehow far, far worse than even that scoreline suggests.

Some kind of ancient curse has been placed on Our League that requires there always to somehow be three teams worse than Everton no matter how unlikely a concept it appears. Astonishingly, it may still hold true this season.

But make no mistake about it, they are absolutely rotten. They flirted with trouble in 2022, had a full-blown tryst in 2023 before staying up by the skin of their arse on the final day, and the latest cries of ‘never again’ have barely died down before they embark on what already looks sure to be another long and miserable fight against relegation for a team that has spent 121 of English league football’s 125 seasons in the top flight.

If Dyche can’t even get his Everton side to defend properly, then they really are in desperate trouble. And on this evidence, they cannot defend properly. They were carved apart twice in the early stages and, with Everton also desperately short of goals, there was never really a likely route back into the game from 2-0 down.

But there are ways of losing a game. You can lose a football match and retain your dignity. You can lose a football match and still offer supporters some tiny crumb of comfort to cling to.

Everton chose a different route. Everton chose self-destruction. The two goals donated to a Villa team that really didn’t require such charity in the second half were mortifying. They switched off from a throw-in and Michael Keane shanked a clearance to Leon Bailey. The fourth goal was, somehow, worse than that.

This was the performance of a team that expects bad things to happen to them and then sets out on a mission of self-fulfilling prophecy. Only second-half substitute Arnaut Danjuma offered any kind of positivity with the occasional enterprising if futile run down the left.


And the paucity of the performance was accompanied by miserable bad luck. Dominic Calvert-Lewin is already among the unluckiest footballers around and was forced off here in the first half with a nasty-looking injury to his cheek after an accidental collision with Emi Martinez. Perhaps even more damagingly for Everton, Alex Iwobi followed in the second half. It was one of those where he stopped with no other player in sight and was immediately distraught; the sort of injury that doesn’t really give you any encouragement to hope for positive news. This does not appear to be a “less serious than first feared” scenario.

Villa, for their part, were excellent – better, in truth, than they needed to be – yet equally unfortunate. Having already lost two absolute mainstays from last season’s impressive seventh-placed finish in Tyrone Mings and Emi Buendia, they saw Philippe Coutinho hobble uncomfortably off long after the match was won.

Less vital than the other injuries perhaps, but still unhelpful in what Villa hope will be a busy season with their return to European football.
Beyond that, it remains near impossible to assess where precisely Villa stand in the early stages of the season. We can reasonably expect the answer to be ‘pretty good’ on the basis of last season despite the injury setbacks, but all we can reasonably ascertain from an overall net zero start to the season is that they are not as good as Newcastle but better than Everton. Which essentially tells us close to f*** all.
But Everton, though. We can certainly make an early-season call on a team that now sits bottom of the lot with no points from two games a goal difference that already reads minus five. We fear for them. We really do.

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Everton have heeded none of last season's very loud warnings - they are in massive trouble already

Astonishingly, there may still be three teams worse than Everton this season. But they were really bad at Villa and face another long, miserable season.
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Horrible but spot on...desperation after two games...
 
Yikes, that was a hard watch. We look terrible, across the park. I put Garner as our best player, but actually I should probably change that as his delivery was pretty rubbish all game. Danjuma shows a bit of promise I suppose, at least he's confident to try and take someone on. Could do with lifting his head a bit to pass sometimes though.
Their goals went from bad to ludicrous. First one was just bad defending - shouldn't have been able to get a cross in and no-one followed McGuinn. But fine, could see that in any game really. Second one, not sure what Pickford is doing, but it's what Pickford does sometimes. Why no big clubs are after him. Third was clown-like, sleepy in the first place (there were two players free, so it's not like it's just one player's fault) and then a perfect assist. Fourth was bizarre and had it happened in South America you'd wonder about match-fixing.
 
Forever the pessimist, but now the dust has settled, whilst it was a shoddy, sub optimal even by Everton standards performance, Villa will be pushing hard this season.

Got a good manager, world renowned DOF, limitless budget and bought well this summer, and last weeks result aside have been almost faultless under Emery.

We're worlds apart currently but our loss was us being weak and inept but against a half decent side. No shame in losing there, the manner of it was shameful.

#onwards
 
Villa fan here so I'll tread carefully...

You were very very bad. But you started okay and were competitive until the first goal, but the goal would have come anyway so it wasn't the goal changing the game (as they invariably do), but it was a matter of time. What I mean is that you looked uncertain at times out of possession when we got over halfway. There seemed to be a panic over hoping you'd not make a mistake and when we did score it was almost an, 'oh here we go again' type respnse. Your players lack belief and that is on the back of the last two seasons (or more).

A change of mindset is needed and that won't happen overnight - this isn't a call to arms and to rally around Dyche, but he is almost irrelevant at this point. Che Adams seems to be strange to me, a barely scoring forward relegated last season is not the mindset you need to be bringing in. People who only have relegation fights around invariably succumb to the inevitable at some point. There are plenty of gettable players not stained with constant doom and gloom jeopardy football that should be targeted. I have no idea of your budget, but a forward and a couple of defenders are a must. Tierney from Arsenal, Reiss from Arsenal on loan, Ritchie or Fraser from newcastle, Traore from Villa, Neto from Wolves, Walker-Peters from Soton, Keinan Davis at Watford, Potus Jansson (is he still at brentford?), Cameron Archer from villa, Chris Wood from Forest...

All of them options that would lift spirits and bring a different mentality, one of being in teams that have been winning and players playing with the freedom that comes with. That's what Everton need at the moment, just to kick start things.
 

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