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Baby dies at hands of psychopaths

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I think we all agree on what to do to the monsters who did this.

It's time now for everyone to stand up and create such a shitstorm over this that it never happens again. Bombard every MP, newspaper, radio, and television channel by any and every means until someone takes responsibility for change.

If two television presenters are worth three weeks non stop media attention, how much more important is this to us. Don't let any MP sleep until they act to protect children from these bastards.

(sorry for swearing, I'm so angry)
 
MikelsGoat said:
Sorry, but i cant read 1 word of this, i swear death by beating would be too light on the cocksuckers who do this kind of thing, gimme 2minutes alone in a room, just 2minutes.......
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I agree with every word you put there. Too sick to read for me. Very, very sad.
 
Sad thing is im sure Britiny Spears or Paris Hilton or whoever will probably gwet more air time or coulom inches then this trajic event.

It says a lot about Western Culture.
 
Have just seen representations on itv of the injuries, best advert for bringing back capital punishment I have seen. 'Things' like that who can inflict such injuries have no right to breath the same air as the rest of us.
 
depending on how pissed off you are reading this thread, maybe avoid the following link.

BBC NEWS | England | Lancashire | Arrests over attacked war veteran

happened on rememberance day as well.

because there are no real punishments, there is absolutely no deterrent.

I dont know who horrifies me more, the individuals that commit such atrocities, or the selfish, self righteous, bed wetting, 'all life is precious' brigade that actively oppose proper punishment for the most serious of violent criminals.
 

i am a firm believer that society was changed for the worst when they banned corporal punishment. i disagreed with it happening in the headmasters office etc, because some wierdo's would get off on it, but think it should always occur at assemblys in front of the whole school.

this has then led to all those liberals trying to ban us smacking (not beating) our kids.

if kids cant be disiplined at school (where they are there to learn) and they cant be disciplined at home (where they should learn respect, right from wrong etc), why do we complain that they are undisciplined?

we are reaping what we have sown
 
a2b chris said:
we are reaping what we have sown
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That's not a first on here either. And I agree pretty much wholly.

I don't agree making a spectacle of children in front of gloating audiences in schools is how to punish offenders, and lets be clear, school children encompasses toddlers at the beginning of their school career to 16 year olds in their final year. I cant guess at the weight and size difference respectively.

If children need disciplining, it's down to the parents to meet out such punishments.

One thing violence teaches children is that violence is tolerated.

As for bad murderous animals like hindley and bradey, pack of starving dogs tearing them limb from bloody screaming limb wouldn't have been a bad revenge.
 
I don't agree making a spectacle of children in front of gloating audiences in schools is how to punish offenders, and lets be clear, school children encompasses toddlers at the beginning of their school career to 16 year olds in their final year. I cant guess at the weight and size difference respectively.

Speaking as someone who had the cane at school, i think it was the thought of everyone watching you to see if you were hurt was a big deterent, plus the fact that it did hurt.

as a parent, you have to threaten smack bums, hands etc and you vary the force dependent on age and severity. usually the best punishment is just the threat of punishment
 
I must say I'm always confused by these sorts of things, and the reaction to them. For instance the footballer who killed people whilst drink driving (the guy with the handcuff team mate) killed a family, with children, yet no calls have been made for him to be strung up. When does the taking of one life become more 'valuable' than any other? The outcry to this event has been enormous, yet such events are thankfully rare still. Contrast them to the number of people killed on our roads each day and the numbers pale into insignificance. Yet how many people actively support speed cameras or other measures to control speed on our roads?

I simply don't buy the lack of a deterrent argument for bad behaviour. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were doing the wrong thing at work would you change your behaviour if your boss beat you? If such actions aren't good enough to be inflicted upon yourself why on earth are they good enough to be inflicted upon a child? Resorting to such punishments reflects more on you than it does on the child being punished.

I'm afraid its an overly simplistic analysis of a very complicated issue.
 

a2b chris said:
I don't agree making a spectacle of children in front of gloating audiences in schools is how to punish offenders, and lets be clear, school children encompasses toddlers at the beginning of their school career to 16 year olds in their final year. I cant guess at the weight and size difference respectively.

Speaking as someone who had the cane at school, i think it was the thought of everyone watching you to see if you were hurt was a big deterent, plus the fact that it did hurt.

as a parent, you have to threaten smack bums, hands etc and you vary the force dependent on age and severity. usually the best punishment is just the threat of punishment
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How many times were you caned at school? What did you do to get caned?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I must say I'm always confused by these sorts of things, and the reaction to them. For instance the footballer who killed people whilst drink driving (the guy with the handcuff team mate) killed a family, with children, yet no calls have been made for him to be strung up. When does the taking of one life become more 'valuable' than any other? The outcry to this event has been enormous, yet such events are thankfully rare still. Contrast them to the number of people killed on our roads each day and the numbers pale into insignificance. Yet how many people actively support speed cameras or other measures to control speed on our roads?

I simply don't buy the lack of a deterrent argument for bad behaviour. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were doing the wrong thing at work would you change your behaviour if your boss beat you? If such actions aren't good enough to be inflicted upon yourself why on earth are they good enough to be inflicted upon a child? Resorting to such punishments reflects more on you than it does on the child being punished.

I'm afraid its an overly simplistic analysis of a very complicated issue.
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struggling to embolden the appropriate part of the first paragraph, but isn't that comparison somewhat overly simplistic? who have you raped or killed at work?

As for the drunk prick that killed the ten and eight year old as well as paralysing the father, 7 years 3 months is an insult to their young lives and is yet another travesty of so called justice in Britain today.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I must say I'm always confused by these sorts of things, and the reaction to them. For instance the footballer who killed people whilst drink driving (the guy with the handcuff team mate) killed a family, with children, yet no calls have been made for him to be strung up. When does the taking of one life become more 'valuable' than any other? The outcry to this event has been enormous, yet such events are thankfully rare still. Contrast them to the number of people killed on our roads each day and the numbers pale into insignificance. Yet how many people actively support speed cameras or other measures to control speed on our roads?

I simply don't buy the lack of a deterrent argument for bad behaviour. Put yourself in their shoes. If you were doing the wrong thing at work would you change your behaviour if your boss beat you? If such actions aren't good enough to be inflicted upon yourself why on earth are they good enough to be inflicted upon a child? Resorting to such punishments reflects more on you than it does on the child being punished.

I'm afraid its an overly simplistic analysis of a very complicated issue.
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Bruce do you have children?

How do you discipline them?

children need teaching from an early age that there is a difference between right and wrong and that doing things wrong is punishable.

i am not saying everything is a smack, but when things go out of hand you have to be able to threaten to punish if they dont behave and deliver it when needed (just like when your an adult, when different severity warrants different methods)
 
a2b chris said:
(just like when your an adult, when different severity warrants different methods)
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best sentence I have read for a while.

sometimes children need a quick harsh lesson for their own good and well being. specifically, "you run out into that road again and I will hospitalise you myself".

This is where children and adults differ (hopefully) the realisation of the consequences and the entire situation is rarely understood by the infant.
 

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