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Any good players we should be looking into from Mexican or Peruvian Leagues?
 
Welcome in. I remember Scotland being beaten by Peru in the World Cup many years ago. Story has it that many Scots had their phones removed after that game as the ring tone kept reminding them. ...............Peru, Peru,.....Peru, Peru................Well, that and the cost of the line rental.
 
mistuhp said:
Hi all, I'm an American who's lived in Perú since 2011. When I first moved down here, I had a little overlap in my pay from my old job to my new job, so I put it toward heading to England to watch some live football. Saw a game at Goodison (FA cup v. Tamworth - shortly before Bilyaletdinov left, with Straq, P. Neville, etc. on team), along with a few non-EFC games at other big grounds. Realized after I got back that the Evertonians I was around seemed my type of people, and there was a feeling about the club that just kind of caught me.
Registered on here more to make it a bit easier to navigate what I read than to post, because I don't tend to have much to add beyond what's already been put out in discussion. My team from back home is the Seattle Sounders, I've followed Boca Juniors for years, I'm currently a season ticket member of Sport Boys Association (Peruvian historical club from port city that last won league in 80s and is now a recently-promoted yo-yo club), and I watch a ton of Mexican football. If I'm posting, it's probably because whatever's going on somehow overlaps with one of those.
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bienvenido!
 

Boba Fret said:
Welcome to the conversation.

Any good players we should be looking into from Mexican or Peruvian Leagues?
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Sorry for the incoming novel:

Honestly, the Peruvian league is terrible. It stretches the definition of the word "professional." The good Peruvian players are almost universally at lesser European first divisions by the time they hit 20, other than the occasional provincial product that's not exposed to the wider world until he's 18-20. And when those younger ones hit Europe, they tend to flame out and end up back in South America pretty quickly (Reimond Manco, Carlos Ascues, etc.). There's a good Peruvian left back in the Brazilian league and a good left winger/sometimes number 10 in the Danish league, both of whom would be fantastic in the championship, but I have a difficult time envisioning either being on a top half PL side. The winger, Orejas Flores, I would personally love to see in royal blue, but he would probably be like a winger version of Straq.
The Peruvian league is so bad right now that Bolivian sides do better in Libertadores - even the ones that don't play in the mountains. It goes in three phases: Summer tournament, Apertura, and Clausura. Sporting Cristal won the summer tournament, going undefeated. My club, Boys, which is currently in relegation places, played them in the first game of the Apertura on Saturday night and it finished 1-1 where we had guys blow multiple chances from inside the 6. No potential in anybody I've seen down here to move up to that level.

As for Mexico, they just finished their Clausura (reverse seasons, reverse names, I guess). Santos Laguna won it, and they were carried by a normally profligate striker who'd been there for a few years and suddenly went on a tear over the past three months, covering up a lot of issues that had been going on in their play in recent years. Mexico's at a weird place right now, because there's so much money there now (they have a giant TV audience in the states that tends to pull more eyeballs than the PL, massive sponsorships, and they pull solid gate numbers) that it takes an awful lot to pry a good player out of their deal from there now, but it's still a league where a player needs to generally take an intermediary step before going to England. Also the gentleman's pact - basically illegal collusion stating that if a player leaves on a free, he can only leave Mexico, and his previous club holds de facto rights if he returns - complicates the hell out of taking a player on a free. So that intermediary step happens less than it should. The most interesting players I've seen there this year are:
  • Jonathan González. He's a diminutive 18 year old 6/8 type who plays with a pitbull's motor and reads the game well beyond his years. Mexico full international, although that may have happened primarily to keep him from the USA team. Unfortunately he had a rough go of it in the Clausura after being best XI in the Apertura, when he took his spot from a Mexico international.
  • Edson Álvarez. He's a 20 year old with 10 full Mexico caps who plays as a center half or number 6. He's been pushed as a pure center half over the past year, primarily because he's 6'3" and there aren't that many quality Mexican players with that size, but I think he's a bit of a waste in that spot.
  • Raúl Ruidíaz. Crafty Perú international center forward who's been among the league leaders in goals scored ever since he arrived in Mexico and has had a good scoring record in almost every one of his professional stops. Unfortunately he's already 27 and he's only 5'5" tall.
I could see Gonzalez and Alvarez in England eventually - especially Gonzalez, who grew up in the USA and therefore speaks English, plus plays a style I think would fit in England (honestly in the Apertura he looked like he could end up like Kante). Alvarez I think has the potential quality as a number 6, but not as a center half, and I think he would be a better fit in Spain.
The best prospect to potentially be at that level that I've seen in Mexico over the past few years, though, is Chucky Lozano, who left last year.
 
Methuselah said:
Welcome in. I remember Scotland being beaten by Peru in the World Cup many years ago. Story has it that many Scots had their phones removed after that game as the ring tone kept reminding them. ...............Peru, Peru,.....Peru, Peru................Well, that and the cost of the line rental.
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That's when Cubillas scored the famous free kick, no? Weird thing is he's not very highly regarded by Peruvian fans, despite being at worst the second best Peruvian player ever. He's widely blamed for causing a massive division in the team that killed them in 82 when he was really past it and shouldn't have been there, and he's lived in the USA since his career ended instead of helping the game here. His teammates from that 70-78 run are more respected here than he is.
 
mistuhp said:
Sorry for the incoming novel:

Honestly, the Peruvian league is terrible. It stretches the definition of the word "professional." The good Peruvian players are almost universally at lesser European first divisions by the time they hit 20, other than the occasional provincial product that's not exposed to the wider world until he's 18-20. And when those younger ones hit Europe, they tend to flame out and end up back in South America pretty quickly (Reimond Manco, Carlos Ascues, etc.). There's a good Peruvian left back in the Brazilian league and a good left winger/sometimes number 10 in the Danish league, both of whom would be fantastic in the championship, but I have a difficult time envisioning either being on a top half PL side. The winger, Orejas Flores, I would personally love to see in royal blue, but he would probably be like a winger version of Straq.
The Peruvian league is so bad right now that Bolivian sides do better in Libertadores - even the ones that don't play in the mountains. It goes in three phases: Summer tournament, Apertura, and Clausura. Sporting Cristal won the summer tournament, going undefeated. My club, Boys, which is currently in relegation places, played them in the first game of the Apertura on Saturday night and it finished 1-1 where we had guys blow multiple chances from inside the 6. No potential in anybody I've seen down here to move up to that level.

As for Mexico, they just finished their Clausura (reverse seasons, reverse names, I guess). Santos Laguna won it, and they were carried by a normally profligate striker who'd been there for a few years and suddenly went on a tear over the past three months, covering up a lot of issues that had been going on in their play in recent years. Mexico's at a weird place right now, because there's so much money there now (they have a giant TV audience in the states that tends to pull more eyeballs than the PL, massive sponsorships, and they pull solid gate numbers) that it takes an awful lot to pry a good player out of their deal from there now, but it's still a league where a player needs to generally take an intermediary step before going to England. Also the gentleman's pact - basically illegal collusion stating that if a player leaves on a free, he can only leave Mexico, and his previous club holds de facto rights if he returns - complicates the hell out of taking a player on a free. So that intermediary step happens less than it should. The most interesting players I've seen there this year are:
  • Jonathan González. He's a diminutive 18 year old 6/8 type who plays with a pitbull's motor and reads the game well beyond his years. Mexico full international, although that may have happened primarily to keep him from the USA team. Unfortunately he had a rough go of it in the Clausura after being best XI in the Apertura, when he took his spot from a Mexico international.
  • Edson Álvarez. He's a 20 year old with 10 full Mexico caps who plays as a center half or number 6. He's been pushed as a pure center half over the past year, primarily because he's 6'3" and there aren't that many quality Mexican players with that size, but I think he's a bit of a waste in that spot.
  • Raúl Ruidíaz. Crafty Perú international center forward who's been among the league leaders in goals scored ever since he arrived in Mexico and has had a good scoring record in almost every one of his professional stops. Unfortunately he's already 27 and he's only 5'5" tall.
I could see Gonzalez and Alvarez in England eventually - especially Gonzalez, who grew up in the USA and therefore speaks English, plus plays a style I think would fit in England (honestly in the Apertura he looked like he could end up like Kante). Alvarez I think has the potential quality as a number 6, but not as a center half, and I think he would be a better fit in Spain.
The best prospect to potentially be at that level that I've seen in Mexico over the past few years, though, is Chucky Lozano, who left last year.
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Not reading all that.
I'm sure it was fascinating though. Thanks for posting.
 

mistuhp said:
Hi all, I'm an American who's lived in Perú since 2011. When I first moved down here, I had a little overlap in my pay from my old job to my new job, so I put it toward heading to England to watch some live football. Saw a game at Goodison (FA cup v. Tamworth - shortly before Bilyaletdinov left, with Straq, P. Neville, etc. on team), along with a few non-EFC games at other big grounds. Realized after I got back that the Evertonians I was around seemed my type of people, and there was a feeling about the club that just kind of caught me.
Registered on here more to make it a bit easier to navigate what I read than to post, because I don't tend to have much to add beyond what's already been put out in discussion. My team from back home is the Seattle Sounders, I've followed Boca Juniors for years, I'm currently a season ticket member of Sport Boys Association (Peruvian historical club from port city that last won league in 80s and is now a recently-promoted yo-yo club), and I watch a ton of Mexican football. If I'm posting, it's probably because whatever's going on somehow overlaps with one of those.
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I've been a UNAM Pumas fan since I was 7. If you don't like them then please leave this forum.

Just kidding. Welcome.
 
ilikecheese said:
Cool. I am in Seattle...been here on and off in my adulthood. Grew up in Port Orchard if you know where that is.
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Of course. Mostly passed by there and not really gone through (last time was like 10 years ago when I went to Blake Island on somebody's boat and we left from the little dock at Manchester); closest I've been to there since I left is the Tides Tavern in GH. I was born in Puyallup and grew up in Sumner, myself.
 

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