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Now ripple I can see being something that takes off. 8 second international transfers between fiat currencies?

https://ripple.com/customer-case-study/reisebank/

https://ripple.com/files/case_study_reisebank.pdf

https://www.americanbanker.com/news...on?brief=00000158-07c7-d3f4-a9f9-37df9bc10000
Overcoming an identity crisis
Before it can conquer the world, though, Ripple will have to sort out its branding. It is practically the only blockchain startup selling enterprise software to major banks while funding development costs with its own cryptocurrency. That more serious attention has not been paid to Ripple even by many cryptocurrency enthusiasts—and that it hasn't garnered headlines the way bitcoin and Ethereum have—may be due in part to poor nomenclature. Another reason, undoubtedly, is the series of pivots Ripple has undergone.

"They've had something of an identity crisis about who their customer is, and what problem they are trying to solve," said John Light, who has consulted for startups working with Ripple's technology.

Ripple's initial plan was to "build a better bitcoin," Garlinghouse said. Its leaders were prescient regarding issues with bitcoin's software that have now come to the fore, such as its ability to process only seven transactions per second. Ripple wanted to be able to handle transaction volume on the scale of Visa.

They also decided that so-called "bitcoin maximalists" were wrong about being able to replace incumbent banks, much less government currencies, with digital cash. Rather than rail against the status quo, they decided to work with banks to improve it.

But Ripple's cryptocurrency, XRP, hasn't gone away, which tends to muddy the picture.

"It is confusing as hell," admitted Miguel Vias, Ripple's head of XRP markets.

Vias knows from experience. After being hired last December, he made a point of going to bitcoin meetups to spread the word about Ripple and XRP. People were surprised to hear that XRP was still around, he says

It takes a while to sort through Ripple's offerings. There is the Ripple consensus ledger, a public blockchain network tied to XRP (confusingly also called Ripple). There is an enterprise software solution that has nothing to do with digital currency but which purportedly allows banks to send cross-border payments more quickly, transparently and cheaply. (To get the full benefit, though, the banks on either side of a transaction both have to be running the software.) And there is the Interledger Protocol, which works in tandem with the enterprise software and connects ledgers of different types—a private bank ledger and a public blockchain, say—for the purpose of settling payments between them.

Gradually, Ripple is incorporating this array of products and services—formerly a public-relations liability—into a singular vision.

"They're slowly coalescing around some of these various solutions," Light said.

'A better Swift'
When approaching banks, Ripple leads with its enterprise software—"a better Swift," according to Vias—along with the Interledger Protocol. Ripple executives talk a good game about how blockchain technology disrupts the "correspondent banking paradigm," in which banks with no direct relationship rely on intermediaries in order to send payments to each other. But Ripple's current software still depends on a global network of correspondent banks.

Rather than total disruption, what it promises are faster settlements with more transparent fees.

International banking today, said Garlinghouse, has "a speed problem, a cost problem, plus an error rate problem." As cross-border payments ping-pong among correspondent banks—as many as five for a single payment—each one takes a piece of the action in the form of fees or currency-exchange charges. The initiating bank often doesn't know ahead of time what the total cost of a payment will be.

International wire transfers between banks cost from $5 to more than $50, plus foreign-exchange charges of 0.25% to 3% and "landing fees" of as much as $20. And the error rate for wire transfers is between 3% and 5%, Thomas said.

Where Swift, the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, provides a one-way messaging service, Ripple provides a two-way protocol. This allows for greater transparency: Banks can exchange information and find out ahead of time what the fees and foreign-exchange rates will be, along with the expected date of delivery for the funds. If any of the information is wrong or missing, both banks will find out before the payment is sent, which should keep transfers from getting stuck in the pipes. Once the sending bank has initiated a transaction, Ripple uses the Interledger Protocol to settle the funds and notify everyone of its successful conclusion.

"This is not a science experiment," Garlinghouse said. "This is real production systems moving real value, and we're the only player in the industry that can say that."
 
So Steam's dropping it because the transactions fees are through the roof then why is anyone going to be using it in pubs and cafes? I haven't seen it much around Canada.

I'm reading the RNDR whitepaper right now from your other post. Thanks for that, I had no idea where to begin.

Do you not see an issue with people not particularly wanting to convert the fiat currency, in which they are paid in, into a variety of different cryptocurrency tokens required to access individual P2P networking services? I mean, I personally can't particularly see people wanting to keep various odd bits of wealth stored across multiple cryptocurrencies.

Basically average transaction fee is around 200 satoshis (there's 1,000,000 satoshi's in a bitcoin, think of it like pennies to £'s) the transaction fee doesn't change the problem is the price of bitcoin has made 200 satoshis around $20, if somebody is buying a $20 game and it costs $20 just to transfer the payment then it becomes too high. Hopefully Steam will switch to another crypto currency like Litecoin where it's still only around 2p to send a transaction as I don't see them fully abandoning cryptocurrency after being one of the first mainstream adopters for so long.

We're still in the early stages of cryptocurrency, yes a lot of it is speculation but most are putting their money into coins they believe have a future after doing research, don't forget that ultimately cryptocurrency is a vessel to replace fiat currency and I believe it will achieve that aim, I don't think Bitcoin will become a day to day form of currency I see that more as being a store of value like Gold while a few other crypto's will edge out above everyone else and become the main day to day currency that people will trade for services and goods once we arrive at stability.

When I said 500k is possible per Bitcoin I'm talking in the next 10 years, it's going to take time and there's going to be pullbacks and corrections but ultimately I truly believe we'll see 500k a coin and possibly even higher, hell I hope it reaches a point where it won't be worth any form of FIAT and will be its own entity traded against the day to day crypto currency that replaces FIAT.

It's like I said, do your own research if you want to learn about it and what it means for the future

Or are you happy to see your money be worth less every year due to inflation because our inept governments keep printing money out of thin air with no backing against it (funny excuse people use against bitcoin, great logic on that) and borrow money (if everybody is in debt who's the money owed to ?) and waste it incredibly poor built welfare systems or on toppling governments who don't play by their rules in their game of global chess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087

Bitcoin and cryptos are anti inflation their whole ethos is about being a finite supply and thus their worth can only rise as more people want it

People are always afraid of what they don't understand so I understand why some would be cautious about cryptocurrency but the excuses I hear from the naysayers are just laughable
 
Basically average transaction fee is around 200 satoshis (there's 1,000,000 satoshi's in a bitcoin, think of it like pennies to £'s) the transaction fee doesn't change the problem is the price of bitcoin has made 200 satoshis around $20, if somebody is buying a $20 game and it costs $20 just to transfer the payment then it becomes too high. Hopefully Steam will switch to another crypto currency like Litecoin where it's still only around 2p to send a transaction as I don't see them fully abandoning cryptocurrency after being one of the first mainstream adopters for so long.

We're still in the early stages of cryptocurrency, yes a lot of it is speculation but most are putting their money into coins they believe have a future after doing research, don't forget that ultimately cryptocurrency is a vessel to replace fiat currency and I believe it will achieve that aim, I don't think Bitcoin will become a day to day form of currency I see that more as being a store of value like Gold while a few other crypto's will edge out above everyone else and become the main day to day currency that people will trade for services and goods once we arrive at stability.

When I said 500k is possible per Bitcoin I'm talking in the next 10 years, it's going to take time and there's going to be pullbacks and corrections but ultimately I truly believe we'll see 500k a coin and possibly even higher, hell I hope it reaches a point where it won't be worth any form of FIAT and will be its own entity traded against the day to day crypto currency that replaces FIAT.

It's like I said, do your own research if you want to learn about it and what it means for the future

Or are you happy to see your money be worth less every year due to inflation because our inept governments keep printing money out of thin air with no backing against it (funny excuse people use against bitcoin, great logic on that) and borrow money (if everybody is in debt who's the money owed to ?) and waste it incredibly poor built welfare systems or on toppling governments who don't play by their rules in their game of global chess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087

Bitcoin and cryptos are anti inflation their whole ethos is about being a finite supply and thus their worth can only rise as more people want it

People are always afraid of what they don't understand so I understand why some would be cautious about cryptocurrency but the excuses I hear from the naysayers are just laughable

You say it will be similar to gold, then claim it will be used by normal people, normal people dont trade gold, gold is a limited resource, hence its value.

I get that people think it will "1 day replace money", but it really wont, ever.
 
Those were some interesting links you shared mate @Blue83

https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-endorses-11-exchanges-transitions-to-largest-bitcoin-market/
There is more incoming news, though. According to the Bitflyer press release, a consortium of 120 Japanese banks will begin exploring different ways to upgrade their banking infrastructure for Blockchain technology application. Various sources are saying this new infrastructure will use the J-coin cryptocurrency.

An MIT article talked about J-Coin, saying, “The idea for J-Coin is that it would sit alongside the Japanese yen, exchanged at a one-to-one rate, and be offered as a free service. In return, the banks that operate it would get detailed data on how people use it (as we’ve discussed before, that will indeed make people easier to track).”



Here's the vox article:

“Based on the data we've collected, we think speculation in the primary driver,” said Garrick Hileman, a Bitcoin expert at the Cambridge Center for Alternative Finance, in an interview in late May. Hileman says that surveys show most users buying and selling bitcoin for speculative purposes rather than to buy things or send cash to other people.

The big question, of course, is why the market suddenly got so optimistic about Bitcoin’s future. One factor is the Japanese government formally recognized the cryptocurrency in April, giving it greater legitimacy in Asia’s richest major economy. There’s been steady growth of international money-transfer services that use Bitcoin to move cash from one country to another.

Bitcoin has also been in the news recently because the authors of ransomware often demand Bitcoin payments from victims. That’s not great for the cryptocurrency’s image, but it might nevertheless be driving demand upward.

One of those says around 25% of the market is Japan, are they using it yet or are they just hoarding it? The vox article says it is being used by migrant workers in Japan and Korea for international money transfers to China and the Phillipines.


So it seems like Japan announcing adoption caused an initial wave of speculation that has picked up more steam as further speculators jumped in.
 

I like the look of Ripple. Been reading up on it a lot recently. The fact they are actively working with institutions and are preparing for regulation should hopefully stand them in good stead.
 
You say it will be similar to gold, then claim it will be used by normal people, normal people dont trade gold, gold is a limited resource, hence its value.

I get that people think it will "1 day replace money", but it really wont, ever.

Bitcoin is a limited resource, only 21million coins will ever exist also people DO trade gold

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gold.aspx

If you read what I said, I said Bitcoin will be like gold a store of value and another cryptocurrency will be a day to day trading currency

will be its own entity traded against the day to day crypto currency that replaces FIAT

I get that this is a footy forum so all walks of life will be here but the ignorance and reluctance to even do a little bit of research before mouthing off nonsense is amazing
 
Basically average transaction fee is around 200 satoshis (there's 1,000,000 satoshi's in a bitcoin, think of it like pennies to £'s) the transaction fee doesn't change the problem is the price of bitcoin has made 200 satoshis around $20, if somebody is buying a $20 game and it costs $20 just to transfer the payment then it becomes too high. Hopefully Steam will switch to another crypto currency like Litecoin where it's still only around 2p to send a transaction as I don't see them fully abandoning cryptocurrency after being one of the first mainstream adopters for so long.

I'm not sure how litecoin differs from bitcoin mate, can you fill me in there? Does it operate under the same deflationary principles as bitcoin?

Why are the exchanges so slow to react to the spikes in valuation to ensure that they keep transaction fees reasonable and facilitate adoption? Are they out for a cash grab.

200 satoshis/ 1,000,000(1btc) = (200/1,000,000) * £13358.84 = £2.67 per transaction. That's just to use your money to buy something.
 
Bitcoin is a limited resource, only 21million coins will ever exist also people DO trade gold

http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gold.aspx

If you read what I said, I said Bitcoin will be like gold a store of value and another cryptocurrency will be a day to day trading currency



I get that this is a footy forum so all walks of life will be here but the ignorance and reluctance to even do a little bit of research before mouthing off nonsense is amazing

Calls me ignorant yet claims people are gonna trade made up coins on the internet.

:coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

Those were some interesting links you shared mate @Blue83

https://news.bitcoin.com/japan-endorses-11-exchanges-transitions-to-largest-bitcoin-market/




Here's the vox article:



One of those says around 25% of the market is Japan, are they using it yet or are they just hoarding it? The vox article says it is being used by migrant workers in Japan and Korea for international money transfers to China and the Phillipines.


So it seems like Japan announcing adoption caused an initial wave of speculation that has picked up more steam as further speculators jumped in.

No problem but what I've touched on doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the potential and actual amazing future that blockchain and cryptocurrency has.

People focus on the negatives too much when they don't understand and it just pisses me off because it's nothing but ignorance

https://news.bitcoin.com/donor-gives-38-btc-water-project/

Bitcoin and cryptocurrency has the potential to get rid of poverty amongst other current issues we face on this planet

I don't understand why people are scared of it
 
Bitcoin and cryptocurrency has the potential to get rid of poverty amongst other current issues we face on this planet

I don't understand why people are scared of it

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And after that World Peace?
 
The only way it can be lost is due to negligence or getting scammed

Much like FIAT currency and those morons who fall for the "Nigerian Prince has billions of $'s to give you in exchange for a few hundred £"

Is it the fault of the technology if the user is inept ? Is the fault of the tech if the user sets their password to one of the most commonly used passwords ? Or uses the same password for every single website they visit and one of those sites gets hacked ?

It's like saying guns are dangerous because people kill people, the problem isn't the gun it's the person holding it

No way have I contradicted myself but all I'll say is do your own research or remain ignorant, it's your choice

You talk about power usage ? You realise the majority of the places which are set up as large scale mines are in regions where they use renewable energy which is cheap in order to maximise profits

Keep on with your ignorance while everyone begins to adopt bitcoin and you sit on a forum moaning about how it'll never take off because it's too risky because "reasons"

So your goal is to call anyone who has a different opinion or disagrees with you clueless or ignorant got it.

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make you smarter nor does it reinforce your point.

Degrading people over and over again doesn't do that either.

People have different views so trying to belittle them and insult them is not the best approach to be taken seriously or gain respect.

So go on keep calling me ignorant or whatever negative buzzword you chose.

Or you could just accept people don't agree with you and move on.
 
I'm not sure how litecoin differs from bitcoin mate, can you fill me in there? Does it operate under the same deflationary principles as bitcoin?

Why are the exchanges so slow to react to the spikes in valuation to ensure that they keep transaction fees reasonable and facilitate adoption? Are they out for a cash grab.

200 satoshis/ 1,000,000(1btc) = (200/1,000,000) * £13358.84 = £2.67 per transaction. That's just to use your money to buy something.

The exchanges only use the median transaction fee which happens to be 200 satoshis, outside of that it's all on the network, different exchanges offer different values because that's just the way it is there's no conspiracy, much like stock exchanges differ in prices which enables arbitrage to take place (not so good with Bitcoin due to transaction times)

Litecoin is basically like Bitcoin but has quicker transaction times, the median is still around 200 litoshi's so if Litecoin was worth what Bitcoin is, the tx fee would be what it is now, BUT LTC has a more agreeable set of devs working on the coin so it's entirely possible they enhance the network/blockchain to promote a lower tx fee, they're soon to be implementing lightning network which will make it even faster
Litecoin is also similar to Bitcoin in that is has a finite supply 84million coins will ever exist

https://segwit.org/my-vision-for-segwit-and-lightning-networks-on-litecoin-and-bitcoin-cf95a7ab656b

That's the man behind Litecoin offering his vision for the future

Basically you can decide yourself from your wallet a transaction fee but depending how the network is being used a lower fee may make your transaction take longer as higher fee = higher priority. Sometimes even a high fee may take hours if the network is overloaded which is why you see a lot of bitcoin forks where groups of people want to add new tech which the main mining orgs don't agree with.

There's surprisingly a lot of politics that goes on behind the scenes within each community

And after that World Peace?

You actually got anything useful to say soft lad ? I get it you don't like Bitcoin, jog on you offer nothing of value


Calls me ignorant yet claims people are gonna trade made up coins on the internet.

:coffee::coffee::coffee:

Yet $billions is traded daily on these made up coins, if that's all you've got to add to the discussion then there's no point discussing with you
 
So your goal is to call anyone who has a different opinion or disagrees with you clueless or ignorant got it.

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make you smarter nor does it reinforce your point.

Degrading people over and over again doesn't do that either.

People have different views so trying to belittle them and insult them is not the best approach to be taken seriously or gain respect.

So go on keep calling me ignorant or whatever negative buzzword you chose.

Or you could just accept people don't agree with you and move on.

No I just don't have any patience for ignorant people mouthing off without even doing a little bit of research into what they're mouthing off about, I get it people have different views but if those views are down to ignorance then I'll call them out on it

I mean you did a quick google search for bitcoin scams and used that to say the coin is trash ? I could find millions of articles where people have been scammed of fiat currency, yet you're happy to believe it's "better" than bitcoin, where's the logic ?
 

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