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Boxing

Blue Cheese said:
Khan is a payday. Khan will not live with Brook but if it's all about a pay cheque then Khan has to be next.

It's the most talent rich weight class Amir Khan shouldn't even be there. Thurman or Alexander are the credible options in my opinion.
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of course its all about the paycheck. brook has fought nobody to earn a big payday until Saturday. he could probably earn more v khan in one fight than he did in his first 25 fights combined. its a short and dangerous career so you go were the money is. Thurman or Garcia would be very hard fights and if he lost he's back to the drawing board. beat bundu next, big stadium fight v khan in may then look at a big fight in the states around next September.
 
Walken said:
Floyd sells though, the figures don't lie, if its through love or hate, the man does the numbers
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Agreed, he knows what he's selling and its hate by the barrel full. Eubank did it mid 90's. But the pay stops when his backside touches canvas. Hence rinse every dime he can. Fair flanges to him for that, cut throat business and he's doing the cutting atm. It is a weight being controlled and manipulated against competition that has seen a dirth in talent in the American heavyweights (that and really big money for NFL).
I suppose I'm all misty eyed for an era like Hagler, Hearns and Duran.
Hate to admit it but I'm unsure we'll be allowed to witness such an era again.
 
efcarentwe said:
of course its all about the paycheck. brook has fought nobody to earn a big payday until Saturday. he could probably earn more v khan in one fight than he did in his first 25 fights combined. its a short and dangerous career so you go were the money is. Thurman or Garcia would be very hard fights and if he lost he's back to the drawing board. beat bundu next, big stadium fight v khan in may then look at a big fight in the states around next September.
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He's 28 he can't afford(non monetary) to pick and choose. Kell Brook for me is the most excited i've been about a British fighter since Hatton. Khan is all fluff and feathers he can't operate at a elite level. In my opinion Kell can.
 
Blue Cheese said:
He's 28 he can't afford(non monetary) to pick and choose. Kell Brook for me is the most excited i've been about a British fighter since Hatton. Khan is all fluff and feathers he can't operate at a elite level. In my opinion Kell can.
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he can though. he might be 28 but he hasn't been in with many top fighters so he's not shopworn and damaged. September is 12 months away. he can get a nice homecoming payday v bundu and then the khan fight and that'll set him up then for some great fights over there.
 

efcarentwe said:
of course its all about the paycheck. brook has fought nobody to earn a big payday until Saturday. he could probably earn more v khan in one fight than he did in his first 25 fights combined. its a short and dangerous career so you go were the money is. Thurman or Garcia would be very hard fights and if he lost he's back to the drawing board. beat bundu next, big stadium fight v khan in may then look at a big fight in the states around next September.
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A good promoter would setup a "Battle with Britain" night in Vegas, Froch, Brook, Khan, even Groves. All in title fights (I ain't talking no Royal Rumble fools!!!!) and smash a night of pay per view through the likes that has never been seen. If boxing doesn't get bigger it goes backwards, and then current fighters end up under the shadow of retired former champs with nowhere to go. Getting differing management and promoters to agree to such a feat is a battle worth televising itself.
 
L4Everton said:
A good promoter would setup a "Battle with Britain" night in Vegas, Froch, Brook, Khan, even Groves. All in title fights (I ain't talking no Royal Rumble fools!!!!) and smash a night of pay per view through the likes that has never been seen. If boxing doesn't get bigger it goes backwards, and then current fighters end up under the shadow of retired former champs with nowhere to go. Getting differing management and promoters to agree to such a feat is a battle worth televising itself.
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that would never happen because as you say there is far too much of a problem with promoters working alongside one another. and also sky would rather stretch top fights out over a few shows rather than one big show.
 
Blue Cheese said:
Nail on head with that statement. He's the best technical boxer i've ever seen but i only watch these days in hope he'll get KO'd...he's too good though.
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What sticks in my craw about Mayweather is that he's always (or at least seemed to have been) the significantly bigger man. It's probably hatred of the arrogance poisoning my memory against him but the weight catagories were setup to make contests not walkovers, perhaps he's a genetic freak in terms of dropping the water and maintaining living that has allowed him to perform such miracles but as good as every day there are stories surrounding him about transfusions and cutting edge dope. All allegedly of course, and like in football there are more crackpots that truth talkers. Could all be sour grapes.
 
efcarentwe said:
that would never happen because as you say there is far too much of a problem with promoters working alongside one another. and also sky would rather stretch top fights out over a few shows rather than one big show.
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With 'The Worlds' operating the way they do it would be a great way to put pressure on a few Cubans to jump ship and take the money. With the amateurs all having fought one another it'd seem like a natural progression and with developing nations like the kazaks making waves in terms of marketing its easier to sell to national pride than to push a couple of bullies going through the motions against a few washed up has beens.
My view is tainted anyway, I'm clutching at straws wanting the fight game to recover some of its credibility. I doubt it ever will and so will slowly become more marginalised.
 
L4Everton said:
A good promoter would setup a "Battle with Britain" night in Vegas, Froch, Brook, Khan, even Groves. All in title fights (I ain't talking no Royal Rumble fools!!!!) and smash a night of pay per view through the likes that has never been seen. If boxing doesn't get bigger it goes backwards, and then current fighters end up under the shadow of retired former champs with nowhere to go. Getting differing management and promoters to agree to such a feat is a battle worth televising itself.
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Why do that in America though? Most of the people wanting to see that would be in the UK. Sell out Wembley, Sky PPV and the cost to stage it would be less. It doesn't make financial sense to do it in the US, the TV schedule would really damage UK PPV figures. Do that at Wembley stadium and I would be all for it.
 

L4Everton said:
What sticks in my craw about Mayweather is that he's always (or at least seemed to have been) the significantly bigger man. It's probably hatred of the arrogance poisoning my memory against him but the weight catagories were setup to make contests not walkovers, perhaps he's a genetic freak in terms of dropping the water and maintaining living that has allowed him to perform such miracles but as good as every day there are stories surrounding him about transfusions and cutting edge dope. All allegedly of course, and like in football there are more crackpots that truth talkers. Could all be sour grapes.
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He's not a particular big welter by any stretch of the imagination, he started his career as a super feather ffs, Oscar, canelo were undoubtably bigger men, ortiz too. He career's around welter because he is good enough not to have to cut loads of weight and because that's where the money is. There's accusations that can be thrown at him, but only fighting smaller guys is not one of them, nor something I'd throw at any multiple weight world champion
 

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