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Bridgend, wtf is going on

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micknick said:
I understand that these people deem that they have despicable problems and to be fair a lot do. But the people who have family and friends that love and care for them to me is an act of selfishness- Im unsure what other word to use it.

I myself have had problems in the past and you feel like the weight of the world is on your shoulders but the easy way out is suicide- Dylan said it best I think.
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I worte a huge rant in my myspace blog (lolz emo) not so long back due to how much it bothers me when people instantly label suicide victims as selfish. And it bothers me a hell of a lot i'll be honest.

As Danny stated theres always a hell of a lot more to it then what people can see. Whats going on in someones head is way way more difficult to understand then any outward signs they might give or words they might write in a note.

In some cases yes it probably is a selfish act, although pretty much every act a human can do is selfish in some way. The husband who kills himself cause he thinks his wife is gonna find out about his affair and he is gonna be in the [Poor language removed] is being mostly selfish (there may be other reasons but i dont know that).

But when someone is depressed then chances are its far from being a purely selfish act, it may be an unselfish act. If they kill themselves because they genuinely think other peoples lifes are better without them in it its very unselfish.

And even if they do kill themselves because they cannot stand the pain of living anymore, because everyday is a struglle just to get out of bed in the morning, just to do even the most basic of things like wash. For years you are tormented by self depreciating thoughts, thinking that you are worthless, thinking that life is just a waste of time, that its never gonna improve and that you are alwways gonna be unhappy. It just gets too much and you cannot take it any longer. If you cannot change your life and become happy then at least you can end it and stop being sad

I hope that makes sense, i'm quite tired so it sorry if it doesnt. To instantly say that suicide is selfish just shows a complete lack of understanding of what some people go through, there's always more to it then you see on the surface. I wouldnt wish feelings of rather being dead on anyone. The feeling that everything is [Poor language removed] worthless and no matter how much you dont want to upset your family and friends, how much you dont want them to grieve for you, after many years only feeling like you are staying alive just for them sometimes it gets too much and you just have to hope that they can realise that although you are dead and they are gonna miss you that you are no longer unhappy. And surely your family and friends should stop being so selfish and worrying about their grief to think about your feelings. Isn't it selfish for them to wish you were still alive and suffering rather than being dead and not suffering?

So yeah, fair enough if people still view suicide as a selfish act and nothing more, as long as they have valid informed reason for that decision i accept that.
 
You said alot then without actually saying much-

So yeah, fair enough if people still view suicide as a selfish act and nothing more, as long as they have valid informed reason for that decision i accept that.
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Thats exactly what everyone has written, that yes there are circumstances but generally when they leave loved ones and others to pick up the pieces it is probably quite selfish- Im not that bright to think of another word for it- any ideas?
 
reckless
contemptible
another definition is unthoughtful, but i dont really see that being the case.

its a condition, that is often brought about by suffering. and although it can break the hearts of the family and friends, i find it difficult to condemn. its a problem beyond simple words.
 
micknick said:
You said alot then without actually saying much-



Thats exactly what everyone has written, that yes there are circumstances but generally when they leave loved ones and others to pick up the pieces it is probably quite selfish- Im not that bright to think of another word for it- any ideas?
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Do you use selfish as purely a descriptive term or as a derogatory one?
 

micknick said:
You said alot then without actually saying much-



Thats exactly what everyone has written, that yes there are circumstances but generally when they leave loved ones and others to pick up the pieces it is probably quite selfish- Im not that bright to think of another word for it- any ideas?
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in considerate I think covers it Mick and yes I can see where you're coming from mate
 
Just wanted to add that the whole Bridgend situation has been spun completely out of proportion from the media.

Only seven of the seventeen suicides occured in Bridgend town (population 40,000), the remaining 10 were in the wider Bridgend unitary authority (population 132,000).

When the suicide rate is compared with the 132,000 population, its not that rare at all.

The only rare bit is of victims knowing of eachother.
 

Danny said:
Just wanted to add that the whole Bridgend situation has been spun completely out of proportion from the media.
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Thats not surprising in the slightest though. [Poor language removed] the facts when stories make better headlines.

[Poor language removed] the media.
 
I think to call a suicidal person selfish is a touch unfair.

Depression like other problems is a disease. These people don't choose to feel suicidal, they don't want to be depressed.

To label a suicide as selfish is, in my eyes, a little like saying the same for a smoker with cancer or an overweigh heart attack victim.

In fact the smoker and obese people have usually made a choice and could change if they wanted to, depression can affect anyone. And is much trickier to spot.
 
Also, despite it being widely branded that 17 people have died, I can only find the names of 16?

Dale Crole, 18, David Dilling, 19, Thomas Davies, 20, Zachery Barnes, 17, Gareth Morgan, 27, James Knight, 26, Jason Williams, 21, Andrew O'Neill, 19, Leigh Jenkins, 22, Liam Clarke, 20, Jenna Parry, 16, Alan Price, 21, Natasha Randall, 17, Angie Fuller, 18, Kelly Stephenson, 20, and Nathaniel Pritchard, 15.
 
Something is weird there. I remember when i saw it in the news and one of the councillours there said he had no reason to think it was anything other than coincidence!

Some bloody coincidence!:blink:
 
evertonianstu said:
Something is weird there. I remember when i saw it in the news and one of the councillours there said he had no reason to think it was anything other than coincidence!

Some bloody coincidence!:blink:
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The only 'weird' thing mate is that seven of the victims knew eachother - not all personally.

But in a small town, most teenagers will know eachother.
 

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