By Elections

[BullensRoad]

Its a tory talking point to attack ULEZ, the number of excess deaths from air pollution in London is obscene.

Put pressure on more affordable EV's, don't drive your kids to school, better public transport prices and efficiency, or address the shortfalls of the system. But keeping fossil fuel burners on the road because fighting the climate crisis should mean no personal inconvenience is an all too prevalent attitude.

We can debate the winners and losers theory on just about any policy enacted no matter how altruistic, but the UK catching up with environmentally progressive acts that already exist in other countries with far better air pollution outcomes is a forward thinking ideology. The shortfalls will have to be managed and the mitigating solutions will have to be fluid to try and reduce poor outcomes for individuals, but a quick browse through the type of media and voices who are the loudest critics of ULEZ and I start to doubt the sincerity.

I completely resonate with your points but there must be a better way to either communicate or implement it?

How is it Tory to speak out against a ridiculously high charge to drive your car when you're reliant on it?

You can't expect people with low paying jobs who have to balance getting their children to school and then go to low paying jobs?

The public transport in London is incredible but you can't seriously expect a caring parent to feel fine putting their toddlers on a bus or tube at such a young age.

Do you seriously expect them to be able to fork out on a Prius when they're struggling to get food on the table?

I think your mindset is Tory to be honest.

 

[Moomin]

Its a tory talking point to attack ULEZ, the number of excess deaths from air pollution in London is obscene.

Put pressure on more affordable EV's, don't drive your kids to school, better public transport prices and efficiency, or address the shortfalls of the system. But keeping fossil fuel burners on the road because fighting the climate crisis should mean no personal inconvenience is an all too prevalent attitude.

We can debate the winners and losers theory on just about any policy enacted no matter how altruistic, but the UK catching up with environmentally progressive acts that already exist in other countries with far better air pollution outcomes is a forward thinking ideology. The shortfalls will have to be managed and the mitigating solutions will have to be fluid to try and reduce poor outcomes for individuals, but a quick browse through the type of media and voices who are the loudest critics of ULEZ and I start to doubt the sincerity.

GB News and it's ilk pushing #climatescam are the ones who want young kids to carry on inhaling poor quality air.

 

[Moomin]

I completely resonate with your points but there must be a better way to either communicate or implement it?

How is it Tory to speak out against a ridiculously high charge to drive your car when you're reliant on it?

You can't expect people with low paying jobs who have to balance getting their children to school and then go to low paying jobs?

The public transport in London is incredible but you can't seriously expect a caring parent to feel fine putting their toddlers on a bus or tube at such a young age.

Do you seriously expect them to be able to fork out on a Prius when they're struggling to get food on the table?

I think your mindset is Tory to be honest.

Do they have a scrapping fee to exchange cars for the region?

I know the other year my Wife and sister went to central London in a 2014 mini and was deemed ok and not had to pay a charge.

 

[Walken]

I completely resonate with your points but there must be a better way to either communicate or implement it?

How is it Tory to speak out against a ridiculously high charge to drive your car when you're reliant on it?

You can't expect people with low paying jobs who have to balance getting their children to school and then go to low paying jobs?

The public transport in London is incredible but you can't seriously expect a caring parent to feel fine putting their toddlers on a bus or tube at such a young age.

Do you seriously expect them to be able to fork out on a Prius when they're struggling to get food on the table?

I think your mindset is Tory to be honest.

I didn't say it was tory to critique it, I said it was a tory attack talking point, take a look through the by election results media or what the London based Tory MPs are campaigning on and where the bulk of the media critiques on the scheme come from.

I've no doubt there are legitimate critiques to be made and you raise some of them yourself, as stated it needs to be managed in a fluid manner to reduce poor outcomes. But as for a politician pushing through a scheme that is publicly divisive because its the right thing to do, which I believe it is, good on him. Plenty of political actions started as unpopular and are now seen as the correct course of action, the civil rights movement was unpopular and divisive.

If people are genuinely being put through hardship by the scheme I hope they are given a voice and the help they need. However, if people are mildly inconvenienced by it and taking to the streets to protest while they ignore all kinds of injustice then they can GTF

 

[summerisle]

Just a reminder :

 

[Blue 1]

Did labour win the other two by elections??

They won one of them..

 

[Baines' left foot]

The ULEZ expansion will save lives.

I think we’ve had this discussion before tbh. I’m not against the ULEZ expansion at all. The opposite, in fact. I just disagree with the timing, and method. The scrapage scheme isn’t sufficient enough either.

When you read in to the reasons why many Londoners are against it you can see why.