Cameron hails end of Labour

[Nebbiolo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7415362.stm

Not being a fan of the dull, uninspiring Gordon Brown, I should be happy about the impending downfall of the government.

But the thought of David Cameron as the next prime minister sends shivers down my spine. Am I alone in thinking the man is false, has no policies and will be a complete disaster for the country?

We're leaving the UK, so it won't matter to us. But for most of you guys ...

 

[McBain]

When did Tony Blair get the arse?

Gordon who?

 

[Welton Toffee]

Am I alone in thinking the man is false, has no policies and will be a complete disaster for the country?

By no means...

Cameron is a tosser.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'll be happy when governments of either colour have as little involvement in my life as possible.

 

[coyney]

I'll be happy when governments of either colour have as little involvement in my life as possible.

Wish I could since the New Labour or Tory Blair's lot came to power as a traditional labour voter I feel I have no-one to vote for and choosing Brown or Cameron is like asking me to support Liverpool or Man utd.I worry for the genuine sick and old people as all the emphasis is on ways to save money causing standards to drop.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

i can't say i warm to cameron, but the prospect of freeing this country from yet another dreadful socialist government gives me at least a little hope for the future of our nation.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They need to save money. It's sad that no one seems to think that they know how to spend their own money better than a government does. If we weren't taxed as much perhaps we could look after our own affairs rather than having to rely on a government to wipe our bottoms.

 

[Welton Toffee]

I'll be happy when governments of either colour have as little involvement in my life as possible.

Same here Bruce.

I don't support any party as I think they're all as bad as each other!

 

[Nebbiolo]

They need to save money. It's sad that no one seems to think that they know how to spend their own money better than a government does. If we weren't taxed as much perhaps we could look after our own affairs rather than having to rely on a government to wipe our bottoms.

I don't mind being taxed, as long it's for the purpose of evening up the various social injustices in the country, supporting a vibrant NHS, improving law and order and generally improving the quality of life for everyone, particularly the disadvantaged. I do, however, object to the myriad of hidden taxes and to the fact that the most heavily burdened (at least by proportion of income) tend to be amongst the poorest. I'm ashamed that Labour, which is my party, has allowed the gulf between rich and poor to widen.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If you want to give some of your money to charitable causes why do you need a government to do so on your behalf?

 

[Nebbiolo]

If you want to give some of your money to charitable causes why do you need a government to do so on your behalf?

Bruce: are you claiming that the NHS and justice system should be funded solely by voluntary contributions?

There you go, mate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy,_State,_and_Utopia

I think you would really get on with Robert Nozick, if you haven't already read him.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Healthcare yes, justice no.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Healthcare yes, justice no.

So who pays for prisons, courts, police and so on?

And with health care, why should I pay for the rich to get free treatment when they can afford to pay directly at point of use?

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

i don't see a problem with a national healthcare insurance system funded via taxation, but there is a big problem by trying to actually deliver the health-care by committee. it's a job best left to the professionals with the government as the primary funder having the power to award & police contracts, set & monitor standards, etc.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Awfully reluctant to get into this kind of debate once again on the forum as it's not really why I'm here. Needless to say my point of view is one that has been arrived at after much research on economics, sociology, complexity (and others related to how complex systems evolve).

To summarise however, I don't believe anyone should be obligated towards any other, unless perhaps members of your family. The ultimate responsibility for your own well being lies solely with yourself.

So the rich person should pay for their healthcare, as should everyone else. No collective free at the point of service. You use something, you pay for it. If you can't pay yourself then you're at the collective mercy of others to aid you.