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Carlo Ancelotti

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catcherintherye said:
It was a very telling statement by Alan Myers. I know he gets a bit of stick for his perceived ITK stuff, but in terms of understanding the general culture of football clubs, particularly Everton he has a better understanding than most. It was a very telling remark.

There will have to be a lot of conjecture and a lot of joining the dots if the appointment if finalised. I appreciate no everyone will come to the same conclusions as me, but I try to be as logical as possible. Why has Ancelotti met with Usmanov? Why might a meeting with Usmanov be critical in finalising the deal? These are worthwhile questions to consider.

My own view of this, is that he has met Usmanov because Usmanov is indirectly involved and is the plan who can make the guarantees that are required. I suspect he has made a level of guarantees that Ancelotti is happy with. A degree of guarantees that make him believe that we will be able to compete at the top end of the league, as he is used too, and override the fact we are 16th in the league currently. People can come to their own conclusions as to what that would mean.

I'm not sure why he appears to be more involved now (at least according to reports). It may be he always was it just got reported less. It may be he's frustrated at the lack of progress. It may be that he's now closer to coming on board with the stadium edging closer. Again difficult to say.

My own feeling is that we have almost gone back to plan A with Moshiri. Plan A was get a hollywood manager in, give him a lot of money to spend with the intention of competing at the top of the league. Koeman was the wrong fit. He was a big name for reasons outside of management. Ancelotti is very different to this.

I think they have flirted with the idea of replicating a Leipzig type club, but they do't have the patience and never really committed to it. Silva has been a disaster and I do think Brands is probably under the spotlight more than people may think.

There may well be an agreement with brands, that Ancelotti gets a lot of what he wants in terms of first team players, while Brands overhauls the rest of the club. Maybe brands is happy to be more in the background? It's one to watch though.

We will not have the clout (I do not think) to bully teams to get the top PL stars. However we probably could with Serie A. I wouldn't rule out a couple of big name Serie A stars on our radar now.
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This appointment certainly puts the whole Usmanov dymanic at Everton back centre-stage, of that there is no doubt. I can't see the circumstances in which Ancelotti would consider us as a viable option based on assurances from Moshiri alone, particularly when Ancelotti will be well versed in how things have developed at Everton since Moshiri came on board. Something significantly more tangible than mere assurances must have been sought and provided.

In many ways this is an appointment that the club simply cannot afford to get wrong again. I do think there is a purist view in that we should ideally be looking to appoint a younger progressive coach with potential, and that would fit the longer term model but we do not have the luxury of taking another punt.

The timing of Ancelotti's departure from Napoli has most definitely been very fortunate for us and it seems they just decided to go for it. I imagine they have made tentative offers to other elite coaches in the past but without any involvement from Usmanov.

Assuming the deal is finalised, our hit rate for successful signings has to improve significantly. In my view that means focusing on 2 players max per window, and that means spending in excess of the £20-£30m that seems to have become the norm for individual signings. That's where Ancelotti can come in in attracting these players. We are still not shopping in Harrods because we don't have the clout, and probably don't have the cash either, at least not on a sustainable basis.

That strategy requires patience as its by definition a slower and more focussed re-shaping of a squad, but I actually think that can tie in with a 4 1/2 year contract. At that end of that time, I'd expect us to be a far more consistent outfit and potentially ready for consistent European qualification. That would represent success for me and I think it would bring widespread acceptance of a job well done. There is absolute success and relative success and we have to achieve the latter first.
 
Keiran said:
Well of course it’s an opinion.

Just as it’s your opinion that we’ll spend loads and be in the Champions League in a couple of years.

I hope you’re right and I’m wrong!
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I mentioned nothing of the champions league. I said we’ll spend money and he’ll be given green light to spend on the players he wants.

You’re entitled to your opinion mate, you explain your reasoning well enough and you stick to your beliefs and I respect that.

But Arteta, Howe or Pellegrini over Ancelotti.... LOL. It’s not quite @caught and the Horse kinda LOL, but that’s a cracker mate. Cheers for that.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I'm personally very excited at the prospect of a manager of Ancelotti's standing coming to Everton

That being said, I think it would be nice if we could let those who aren't as sure make those feelings felt without fear of being harangued for it

Those comments may harsh our buzz somewhat, but those people are entitled to their opinions without getting slaughtered for it
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Mikey a forum is about opinions, but when you have people actually looking for faults for appointing a superb manager, it’s sheer Crazy.
 

matty1878 said:
Mikey a forum is about opinions, but when you have people actually looking for faults for appointing a superb manager, it’s sheer Crazy.
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It’s not looking for faults. As I’ve said, if and when it finally is confirmed, I’ll be delighted.

I just think, as we’ve discussed at length the risks associated with appointing all other mooted suggestions up to this point, Pereira, Moyes, Howe, Arteta etc, we should also discuss them with Ancelotti.
 
Sverre Takleifbotten said:
It is not very wise to compare win percentage between managers who have trained Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland against a manager who has trained Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, and Napoli.

It doesn't really say anything, except that CS has trained clubs with many more resources. To get a more accurate picture, one has to check for a number of factors, and here it is difficult to agree on the model.
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Well going with managers who trained Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland etc didn't really work out for it did us? I'm therefore more than happy to try out the man who managed Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, RM, PSG etc.
 
Trying to keep calm until this is actually done.

But can anyone detail how well Ancelotti will work with Brands? Has he worked with a DoF before? I'm seeing a lot of the articles say he wants money to spend, does he have his own scouting network or will it largely be him and Brands as a team?
 
brieverton said:
This appointment certainly puts the whole Usmanov dymanic at Everton back centre-stage, of that there is no doubt. I can't see the circumstances in which Ancelotti would consider us as a viable option based on assurances from Moshiri alone, particularly when Ancelotti will be well versed in how things have developed at Everton since Moshiri came on board. Something significantly more tangible than mere assurances must have been sought and provided.

In many ways this is an appointment that the club simply cannot afford to get wrong again. I do think there is a purist view in that we should ideally be looking to appoint a younger progressive coach with potential, and that would fit the longer term model but we do not have the luxury of taking another punt.

The timing of Ancelotti's departure from Napoli has most definitely been very fortunate for us and it seems they just decided to go for it. I imagine they have made tentative offers to other elite coaches in the past but without any involvement from Usmanov.

Assuming the deal is finalised, our hit rate for successful signings has to improve significantly. In my view that means focusing on 2 players max per window, and that means spending in excess of the £20-£30m that seems to have become the norm for individual signings. That's where Ancelotti can come in in attracting these players. We are still not shopping in Harrods because we don't have the clout, and probably don't have the cash either, at least not on a sustainable basis.

That strategy requires patience as its by definition a slower and more focussed re-shaping of a squad, but I actually think that can tie in with a 4 1/2 year contract. At that end of that time, I'd expect us to be a far more consistent outfit and potentially ready for consistent European qualification. That would represent success for me and I think it would bring widespread acceptance of a job well done. There is absolute success and relative success and we have to achieve the latter first.
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Been buildinh for 25 years time we got a WINNER as a manager and became relevant again
 

DaChunk said:
Trying to keep calm until this is actually done.

But can anyone detail how well Ancelotti will work with Brands? Has he worked with a DoF before? I'm seeing a lot of the articles say he wants money to spend, does he have his own scouting network or will it largely be him and Brands as a team?
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He’s a manager that’s worked with DOF before. Him and Brands will be fine
 
Keiran said:
It’s not looking for faults. As I’ve said, if and when it finally is confirmed, I’ll be delighted.

I just think, as we’ve discussed at length the risks associated with appointing all other mooted suggestions up to this point, Pereira, Moyes, Howe, Arteta etc, we should also discuss them with Ancelotti.
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Mate trying to even mention them with Carlo isn’t even a debate, I get what your saying but just for once let’s all rejoice
 

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