Carsley


Daytripper said:
Carsley or anyone else will inevitably run into the same problems the previous people have.

And then we will have the same repetitive behaviour from fans, the same kind of media articles spinning the truth and the same inevitable lack of success and disappointment.

Change the club, change the culture, then change the manager.

We’ve been changing managers first, it’s not worked at all because it’s the club itself that needs fixing first.
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Can’t argue with this, and I am in agreeement completely with culture and club change first.

However how long do you show faith in Dyche turning it around?? The signs in this team are not looking good.

We are in a terrible place really because it’s a real gamble to bring someone else in but it’s a gamble to leave him there in the hope he get enough results to survive.

The new owners would I think rather leave him to the summer, but that’s a massive IF that he can keep us up. I know he has done it before but let’s be clear we where 45 minutes away from relegation and survived by the skin of our teeth.

Who is going to want to take this job on right now?? Nobody who we actually want and in the long term, it’s a risk for anyone who is coming in to!!
 
lets not take a risk when we are in such a precarious position. I can see it turning out like Van Nistelrooy at Leicester. We need a manager with a stronger track record in management. One that can handle the fire fighting position we are in this season and can also progress the team over the next few seasons. If Carlsey hadn't played for Everton we wouldn't be considering him
 

cantlivewithem said:
lets not take a risk when we are in such a precarious position. I can see it turning out like Van Nistelrooy at Leicester. We need a manager with a stronger track record in management. One that can handle the fire fighting position we are in this season and can also progress the team over the next few seasons. If Carlsey hadn't played for Everton we wouldn't be considering him
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Very small group of managers you’re looking for there I suspect which would make it more difficult to recruit mid season.

Honestly I can’t think of anyone who fits those two criteria other than Moyes and maybe Thomas Frank, but he’s not exactly pulled Brentford clear.

Moyes came to us when we were in trouble, got us out of it and progressed up the league on a minimal budget (he also did so recently with West Ham in his first stint and then again after Pellegrini)
 
cantlivewithem said:
lets not take a risk when we are in such a precarious position. I can see it turning out like Van Nistelrooy at Leicester. We need a manager with a stronger track record in management. One that can handle the fire fighting position we are in this season and can also progress the team over the next few seasons. If Carlsey hadn't played for Everton we wouldn't be considering him
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My suggestion then would be Sean Dyche.
 
Cork Evertonian said:
I actually think Lee Carsley would do a good job for us. I was disappointed he turned down the Ireland job, although it was an understandable decision!

Catterick, Kendall and Royle. The moral of the story as to our post second world war history, is that we only win things when a former player at the club is manager.
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Catterick and Kendall won the league and FA cup with much better squads than this present one, Joe won the FA cup with better players than this one but failed ultimately as a league manager with Everton. Carsley has never managed a club side at any level, doesn’t seem interested in managing and is more at home as a coach and seems very settled, at his time in life, working near his home in Birmingham.
 
Bluelenny1984 said:
Can’t argue with this, and I am in agreeement completely with culture and club change first.

However how long do you show faith in Dyche turning it around?? The signs in this team are not looking good.

We are in a terrible place really because it’s a real gamble to bring someone else in but it’s a gamble to leave him there in the hope he get enough results to survive.

The new owners would I think rather leave him to the summer, but that’s a massive IF that he can keep us up. I know he has done it before but let’s be clear we where 45 minutes away from relegation and survived by the skin of our teeth.

Who is going to want to take this job on right now?? Nobody who we actually want and in the long term, it’s a risk for anyone who is coming in to!!
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What I was hoping for was whilst the new owners wait for the process of the takeover to be completed, a thorough review of the club took place. It may of been done already and I was certainly hoping a full time CEO would be there day one.

Then once they took over, changes started to be implemented and on the pitch, we look to pick up points which we did against City, Chelsea , Arsenal and look to Forest and Bournemouth as potential victories, all the while with a plan in place that should things go wrong, which they have again, there are plans in place to deal with that.

Then once a new manager comes in, the club itself has already begun making changes for the better, so when they come in, they have less of a chance of it being another paper over the cracks job.

Dyche isn’t a long term answer, to say the least. And you’re right we are in a terrible place. I blame the club. The culture stinks. It’s no coincidence so many ex players, some that many fans regard as legends, have hardly said anything publicly or if at all, about a club they are strongly associated with that has regressed substantially over three decades.

“Second half was more like it” Darren Griffiths to the manager yesterday. Says everything.
 

Blue peter said:
Very small group of managers you’re looking for there I suspect which would make it more difficult to recruit mid season.

Honestly I can’t think of anyone who fits those two criteria other than Moyes and maybe Thomas Frank, but he’s not exactly pulled Brentford clear.

Moyes came to us when we were in trouble, got us out of it and progressed up the league on a minimal budget (he also did so recently with West Ham in his first stint and then again after Pellegrini)
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Thomas Frank has done an absolutely sensational job with Brentford. (They are comfortably mid table btw)

Just like Howe did at Bournemouth, who was also bizarrely underrated on here.
 
It’s not a coincidence that managers have been successful at the best run clubs - Brentford and Brighton give the best possible chance of success. Frank has done well, but had he been in charge of us for the last two years he would have had all the same difficulties. The best managers to go for are the managers who have done a good job in spite of the way their club is run rather than because of it. They have really proven themselves.
 
Joey66 said:
We need an up & coming younger manager with progressive ideas, Dyche & his immediate coaching staff hoofed on gardening leave ....
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Danny Rohl? Sheff Weds are still a mess at ownership level, but somehow he has taken them from bottom and seemingly already relegated to pushing for the play offs in a year. He’s exactly the kind of manager that Brighton and Brentford would pick if they were picking someone tomorrow.
 
Daytripper said:
What I was hoping for was whilst the new owners wait for the process of the takeover to be completed, a thorough review of the club took place. It may of been done already and I was certainly hoping a full time CEO would be there day one.

Then once they took over, changes started to be implemented and on the pitch, we look to pick up points which we did against City, Chelsea , Arsenal and look to Forest and Bournemouth as potential victories, all the while with a plan in place that should things go wrong, which they have again, there are plans in place to deal with that.

Then once a new manager comes in, the club itself has already begun making changes for the better, so when they come in, they have less of a chance of it being another paper over the cracks job.

Dyche isn’t a long term answer, to say the least. And you’re right we are in a terrible place. I blame the club. The culture stinks. It’s no coincidence so many ex players, some that many fans regard as legends, have hardly said anything publicly or if at all, about a club they are strongly associated with that has regressed substantially over three decades.

“Second half was more like it” Darren Griffiths to the manager yesterday. Says everything.
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Yeah that all may be going on, we do not know. Especially given the new guys prefer actions to words. Only time will tell if these guys can make the right decisions, address the culture and plan properly unlike the two previous regimes.

All we can do right know is watch in hope that they get it right both on the pitch and off it, most importantly off it first.
 

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