2018/19 Cenk Tosun

[Pabbers]

You dont see the RS hounding Firminho for his lack of goals this season.

 

[mkrudden]

DCL niasse and tosun are strikers you would expect championship teams who have just been promoted to have.

Especially tosun, the man's a fraud. He has seen he isn't good enough at this level, had a word with straqualursi who told him (Spanish accent)" tis ok if you don't score here, run around a lot, fans will like you".

It's as if people are so used to seeing dire football in the past, that if someone puts a shift in, he is seen as a good player

Er...ok...

But Tosun does score? And has scored in the Champions League for his previous club?

I'm not sure what your point is here. You making one then applying it to someone it doesn't apply to then saying "look i'm right".

 

[Hickson9]

The primary issue that has emerged in these initial matches is defending set plays. Scoring goals is not a concern for me.

Since selling Lukaku we have attempted to move away from the focal point scoring the majority of our goals.

Tosun has two Premier League assists and has worked really hard, occupying defenders and creating space.

Behind him, Richarlison has scored 3, Walcott 2 and DCL 1.

We need a good few months for the team to settle down (especially as Bernard, Gomez and Mina have yet to be incorporated) but for me the initial signs are good.

 

[BigDuncFunk]

Silva's sides always leak goals and as such you need an attack to basically outscore the opposition. Thats why Tosun isn't good enough or suits a Silva side. For a BSA 10 behind the ball with the hope of a ball landing to him in the box he's relatively suited as he doesnt look capable at this level of scoring 15-20 a season but he wouldnt need to.

However we look to be conceeding atleast 1 goal a game and as such we need our forward lining scoring atleast 2 a game which has cost us recently and as the centre forward he has to take flack sadly.

 

[Paul Rideout]

The primary issue that has emerged in these initial matches is defending set plays. Scoring goals is not a concern for me.

Since selling Lukaku we have attempted to move away from the focal point scoring the majority of our goals.

Tosun has two Premier League assists and has worked really hard, occupying defenders and creating space.

Behind him, Richarlison has scored 3, Walcott 2 and DCL 1.

We need a good few months for the team to settle down (especially as Bernard, Gomez and Mina have yet to be incorporated) but for me the initial signs are good.

So you’re saying we should bring Steve Watson out of retirement, right?

 

[Lanolin]

You dont see the RS hounding Firminho for his lack of goals this season.

A multitude of sins are forgiven when you're winning.

1 goal in his last 12 appearances for us is a little concerning for me I have to admit, but things can change quickly in football and a couple of goals on sunday would mean you look at it differently.

There's no need for people to get on Tosun's back or make definitive pronouncements on whether he'll ever be good enough for us, but it's hardly surprising that people are picking up on our star striker not scoring when we've had a couple of fairly disappointing results. If we win the next few games without him scoring the heat will be taken off, just as it is for Firmino. If we don't win and he still hasn't scored it will be cranked right up, it's the way of the world.

 

[BigDuncFunk]

A multitude of sins are forgiven when you're winning.

1 goal in his last 12 appearances for us is a little concerning for me I have to admit, but things can change quickly in football and a couple of goals on sunday would mean you look at it differently.

There's no need for people to get on Tosun's back or make definitive pronouncements on whether he'll ever be good enough for us, but it's hardly surprising that people are picking up on our star striker not scoring when we've had a couple of fairly disappointing results. If we win the next few games without him scoring the heat will be taken off, just as it is for Firmino. If we don't win and he still hasn't scored it will be cranked right up, it's the way of the world.

For any team with ambitions of being top 6/7 you can not have your number one choice centre forward being any less than a 1 in 3 striker. To not score in 5/6/7 games isnt good enough and he (and Niasse) both need replacing in Janaury by proven scorers.

Willian Jose and Batshuyai please Mosh.

 

[mkrudden]

A multitude of sins are forgiven when you're winning.

1 goal in his last 12 appearances for us is a little concerning for me I have to admit, but things can change quickly in football and a couple of goals on sunday would mean you look at it differently.

There's no need for people to get on Tosun's back or make definitive pronouncements on whether he'll ever be good enough for us, but it's hardly surprising that people are picking up on our star striker not scoring when we've had a couple of fairly disappointing results. If we win the next few games without him scoring the heat will be taken off, just as it is for Firmino. If we don't win and he still hasn't scored it will be cranked right up, it's the way of the world.

But context is important. He was part of a side when he joined who created less chances per game than Swansea- who were relegated. I think it was on average 1 chance per game under Sam.
Then this season isn't it 2 assists? And unless my memory is failing me, I can't remember any guilt-edge chances he's missed.
To me, it's about waiting until at least Christmas / January.

Are we creating chances?
Is he missing chances?
Is he getting into the position to score?

Lots of variables before he's written off (which I know you aren't advocating him doing).

To me, he's been a real handful with superb awareness of what's going on. His assist for Walcott v Bournemouth, whilst easy to execute, was all about quick thinking and being selfless.

 

[Lanolin]

But context is important. He was part of a side when he joined who created less chances per game than Swansea- who were relegated. I think it was on average 1 chance per game under Sam.
Then this season isn't it 2 assists? And unless my memory is failing me, I can't remember any guilt-edge chances he's missed.
To me, it's about waiting until at least Christmas / January.

Are we creating chances?
Is he missing chances?
Is he getting into the position to score?

Lots of variables before he's written off (which I know you aren't advocating him doing).

To me, he's been a real handful with superb awareness of what's going on. His assist for Walcott v Bournemouth, whilst easy to execute, was all about quick thinking and being selfless.

Yeah i'm not slating him, but I can see why people are getting a bit worried, any striker going 6/7 games without a goal is concerning, particularly when you have no previous PL record to fall back on.

Where I slightly disagree is with the lack of chances. The fact he hasn't missed many actually adds to my concerns, because it suggests to me that he's not quite doing enough to get them. We know he's a good finisher so i'd have no concerns if he was missing a few because you know that's not the normal him, but not really having had a decent chance when playing for a team that has scored 10 in 5 games tells me maybe he's not quite been as dangerous as i'd like. I've said before that i'm not sure he really excels at anything in particular, which is maybe causing him a problem. He's a good all round footballer, but he lacks the pace to get away from people, the dribbling ability to slalom past people, and the height/strength to dominate in the air. That means that unless you can get the ball to him in positions where can just get his shot away, he will find chances fairly difficult to come by.

I'm genuinely not trying to knock him there though, he really is a good player, but honestly assessing his ability tells me he needs to improve a bit to be a real success here.

 

[Kenshin]

I think with lukaku people are just hurting he left. He got to the level where his was scoring at a level where it was only a matter of time before one of the big teams came in.

Even when he left, people said he wouldnt be able to hack it playing for a top team, even his 1 in 2 games goal record for united, people laugh when he misses a chance.

It happened when he was here , when I first joined up on here last year there was loads of comments on him not being good enough for us even though he was finishing on 25 for the season

So has Charlie Mulgrew, shall we sign him aswell?

At the right price

The thing is, we don’t want to be midtable, do we?

Bit pointless if we should only keep/sign players to keep us exactly where we are, isn’t it?

But that's the thing. Players don't want to sign for a mid table team if they have ambition. The only ones who do see the club as a stepping club for the top club's, our new signings included in that.

So unless you are successful you don't attract better players simply for being Everton. You sign players who are happy at your level and hope the ones who want to use you as a stepping stone elevate you to the level where better players then want to join.

 

[Abraders]

This thread is mad.

Tosun has looked great this season but we haven't provided him with opportunities to score and in our game vs huddersfield you could feel his frustration.

It will come, and after that it will all come a little more naturally.

The key for me is getting Richarlison back in the mix as they were playing with a good understanding between them.

Replace Niasse in January with a top striker? Sure, if both efficient and possible, but for now we need to work on creating chances for the strikers we have at our disposal and stop leaking unnecessary goals.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Find this mental tbh

His role has changed a bit - he's pressing from the front a lot (I read a stat which said he'd won the ball back more in the attacking third of the pitch than any other player in the league so far (may have changed since), and on top of that pressing he's leading the line very well - the wide players in particular are the ones who are getting chances as a result.

I think this role may mean his goalscoring is compromised, but that shouldn't mean we overlook his value to the team. Personally, I think he's been far better this season than he was last season.

One criticism would be that Sigurdsson has been a little bit too close to him at times, which means they're almost falling over each other - that's something to work on between them and Silva, but I'm a fan of Tosun's - he does a lot of the stuff that Lukaku never did, but he can also really finish, given the opportunity.

 

[Goat]

Your right mbappe and Harry Kane should be the next priorities.
Aswell as bringing in diego someone as manager.
Oh wait we can't get them because they will never come.

We lost out on players to the likes of real betis in the summer, and your going on about how rashford and batsuayi are average and shouldn't be signed.

Spot on mate.

Accept no substitute, Mbappe or bust.

Thats our only choice Mbappe or Rashford, there is no middle ground.

 

[ozz]

7 goals in 4 games, 2 of them being played with 1 man off for almost 45 minutes each, 1 game without Richarlison. Cenk assisting 2 goals, wide players scoring 6. (I sense some kind of a pattern here but will decide with the next game Richarlison joins back).

I think defense is more problematic than forwards, there are very few teams who could do better under these circumstances, considering our DMs are non-existent in any kind of attacking play. Imagine we did not concede those stupid corners, Cenk has blame on some of them, and it would be hell of a season start. I don't expect the team to score 4 goals with 10 men for 45 minutes, but we could defend better surely.

 

[AusToffee]

I can’t believe the stick he’s getting, he works very hard off the ball often winning the ball back with his pressuring, what he does is give our wider players more space and more chances for them by dragging out defenders and being a handful. Yes he hasn’t scored in 12 games but that to me is more of a service issue, I can’t recall any clear cut opportunity’s he’s had this season. The team is still getting used to new tactics and new team mates but he’s a finisher, last season he proved he has the knack for goal and can provide goals. He needs service though and the transition from our defence to attack is too slow to give him any sort of opportunity