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dholliday said:
I was musing the other day about how some girls use obviously female profile names, and how it can affect their interaction with male forum members. I bet we've got a lot more females on this forum than we think, just most don't make it obvious in the avatar/name.


Agree with almost everything you write here, except Lara Croft in Tomb Raider: Legend was a proper hero! No wet dream guff, just pure action-heroics.
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Oh I agree, the presentation of Lara Croft has altered massively since the first Tomb Raider game. Ironically, my introduction to Tomb Raider was my older brother having a Lara Croft poster on his wall!

Tubey said:
The fact is that a lot of women play mobile games like Candy Crush Saga or Wii games; the games this woman moans about aren't actually aimed at women so it's odd to target them and ignore everything else. What do you expect game developers to do - not appeal to their target audience? Women are less likely to play a console, or own one, than men, and less likely to buy games and play them, buy DLC etc. That's a fact, so it's obvious that they would, as part of their business strategy, target men in every bit the way Mattel target Barbie at women.

Women game in a different way to men, which is an obvious and good thing as it adds diversity to the industry. But when you get a feminist raging without taking into account the many different ways games are played then it gets peoples backs up.
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Do we game differently? Or are most women unaware of a lot of console gaming because it's not aimed at us in any way whatsoever? You mention Wii games, they have very deliberately targeted the family games market, which is currently working very well for them. They know they cant really compete with a lot of the more popular games on PS and Xbox, so they go for a market largely ignored, games a whole family can play together. And for a lot of women, this is the first introduction to console gaming they've ever had.

Games were never aimed at girls when I was a kid, but plenty of my mates have grown up playing them and still do today. When I was a kid, the computers were Spectrums, Amigas, and in our house first, an Acorn Electron! And they generally belonged to dads who didnt let the kids play! My dad did, me and my brother grew up playing them, before progressing to our first console with a Mega Drive for Christmas in 1992. Here we are 22 years later, and my mate is a monster of a Halo player putting her boyfriend and his best mate to shame whenever we have a game online together, and Ive just finished putting 400 hours into completing all 3 Mass Effect games! To dismiss women gamers as just playing mobile games or Wii with their kids is ignorant, and games companies are completely ignoring a quite large percentage of their audience by ignoring their existence completely.

Its ironic discussing this on a football message board, when football is something else that women now flock to in their droves, but are still generally seen as some kind of minority spoiling the atmosphere.
 
Smudge1985 said:
Oh I agree, the presentation of Lara Croft has altered massively since the first Tomb Raider game. Ironically, my introduction to Tomb Raider was my older brother having a Lara Croft poster on his wall!



Do we game differently? Or are most women unaware of a lot of console gaming because it's not aimed at us in any way whatsoever? You mention Wii games, they have very deliberately targeted the family games market, which is currently working very well for them. They know they cant really compete with a lot of the more popular games on PS and Xbox, so they go for a market largely ignored, games a whole family can play together. And for a lot of women, this is the first introduction to console gaming they've ever had.

Games were never aimed at girls when I was a kid, but plenty of my mates have grown up playing them and still do today. When I was a kid, the computers were Spectrums, Amigas, and in our house first, an Acorn Electron! And they generally belonged to dads who didnt let the kids play! My dad did, me and my brother grew up playing them, before progressing to our first console with a Mega Drive for Christmas in 1992. Here we are 22 years later, and my mate is a monster of a Halo player putting her boyfriend and his best mate to shame whenever we have a game online together, and Ive just finished putting 400 hours into completing all 3 Mass Effect games! To dismiss women gamers as just playing mobile games or Wii with their kids is ignorant, and games companies are completely ignoring a quite large percentage of their audience by ignoring their existence completely.

Its ironic discussing this on a football message board, when football is something else that women now flock to in their droves, but are still generally seen as some kind of minority spoiling the atmosphere.
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I'm not "dismissing" them, but it's a fact that the increase in female gaming has largely come as a result of mobile and casual gaming. Again, that isn't "ignorance", it's absolute, verifiable fact.

Yes, there's an increasingly sizable proportion of female console gamers and you're seeing games with strong female characters evolving as a result, but that's a gradual process that is in line with the increase in female console gamers. You wouldn't have seen the recent Tomb Raider reboot be what it is 10 years ago, and that's a good thing, because it shows the industry is developing and the demand is there - but it can't be over-saturated just to please over-reacting feminists who target very, very male-orientated games from day one to on sale to moan about and ignore everything else.

If the market was suddenly saturated with games aimed at females exclusively, sales would drop as you're targeting a narrow market. It has to be a gradual process, and it is happening. The amount of actually ignorant men who think women will take their "cool games" away is shrinking rapidly and being drowned out by a sea of progressive voices in the gaming community, and that will continue, but in the mean time it is extremely unhelpful to paint all male gamers with a broad brush as sexist for playing and enjoying GTA5.
 

Smudge1985 said:
Ive just finished putting 400 hours into completing all 3 Mass Effect games!
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I'm seriously considering trying this. I love serious sci-fi, Knights Of The Old Republic is on my top 5 games of all time (FFVII is number 1). I've heard there's a bit too much goon-shooting (and my playing of a ME3 demo confirmed this), but the story is apparently EPIC!

I guess if you put that many hours in, you'd probably recommend it?


Back to the girls vs boys thing, I was debating with my lady the other day that the main difference between us seems to be:

a) males like to discuss the fine technical specs/details of things more than women
b) males like to tidily rank and rate things more than women

We agreed these were genuine differences in the sexes. But otherwise, my girl is into the same things i am, the only traditional female thing she really likes is cooking (it's her profession anyway).
 
dholliday said:
I'm seriously considering trying this. I love serious sci-fi, Knights Of The Old Republic is on my top 5 games of all time (FFVII is number 1). I've heard there's a bit too much goon-shooting (and my playing of a ME3 demo confirmed this), but the story is apparently EPIC!

I guess if you put that many hours in, you'd probably recommend it?


Back to the girls vs boys thing, I was debating with my lady the other day that the main difference between us seems to be:

a) males like to discuss the fine technical specs/details of things more than women
b) males like to tidily rank and rate things more than women

We agreed these were genuine differences in the sexes. But otherwise, my girl is into the same things i am, the only traditional female thing she really likes is cooking (it's her profession anyway).
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Mass Effect is the best series of games ever made.
 

Been playing Footy Manager 2012 this week. I went into the data editor and changed all of the teams around, updated squads and added our new badge.

Great stuff.

We're currently top of the league by 4 points away from Man City and Lukaku is the league's top scorer with 17 in 25 games.

I bought Welbeck, Howedes, Butland and Richards.
 
dholliday said:
I'm seriously considering trying this. I love serious sci-fi, Knights Of The Old Republic is on my top 5 games of all time (FFVII is number 1). I've heard there's a bit too much goon-shooting (and my playing of a ME3 demo confirmed this), but the story is apparently EPIC!

I guess if you put that many hours in, you'd probably recommend it?
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Definitely. Story is epic enough in the first one, but its all so neatly tied together with what goes on in 2 and 3, and how choices you made in 1 can affect absolutely everything, Ive played them all through so many times. Got another playthrough still going towards the end of 2 where Ive deliberately played as a renegade, since I always play paragon. Its interesting seeing just how much changes just by playing as a badass.
 

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