Conspiracy theories

[verreauxi]

We would then only have two questions on probability, could they make this virus?, and why would they?

I, personally, would rank the probability quite low on both of those question, to be sure. It's not easy to make a virus such as this, and why would China make virus that has devastated their economy as much or more than any other economy? They are quite powerful and wouldn't need to hurt themselves in order to hurt their economic/political rivals.

 

[deipnosophist]

That's a weak response and we both know it. I was careful to point out with quotes exactly what you said. And how silly it was.

zzzzzzzz

 

[verreauxi]

zzzzzzzz

Keep playing to your strengths.

 

[magicjuan]

I, personally, would rank the probability quite low on both of those question, to be sure. It's not easy to make a virus such as this, and why would China make virus that has devastated their economy as much or more than any other economy? They are quite powerful and wouldn't need to hurt themselves in order to hurt their economic/political rivals.

I would say, not just China, but the probability would be higher. I think it accidental to reach the public, but not impossible, history has many examples of the powerful using their own as lab rats.
Obviously it is conjecture but the arms race continues and chemical and biological weapons are just as prominent now.

 

[magicjuan]

It's not about giving it a life. You may disagree, fine, but I don't believe in allowing a dangerous and unsubstantiated belief to continue especially with its origins.

To do so, it legitimises what it was, a racist view, and for many still is underpinned by it. Whether it's anti-Semitism, colour of skin or nationality it's abhorrent.

As I said before, I'm yet to see any truth in it at all. So as I said, why is still promoted? Everyone loves to blame someone, and I wonder why they get it.

I am not disagreeing with you on these points, quite the opposite, to paraphrase, I hold tgese truths to be self evident. But there are appropriate times to raise the point.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I laugh that people think a new Coronavirus popping up in the same city that houses a Coronavirus lab is a conspiracy theory lol

It 100% leaked out and it'll be kept a dirty little secret from now until the end of time based on the chaos it has caused worldwide.

 

[deipnosophist]

Keep playing to your strengths.

you are so tiresome...and supremely boring

 

[verreauxi]

you are so tiresome...and supremely boring

You made a silly statement for which there is no evidence--that the trustworthyness of science versus a hypothetical YouTube guy is "debatable." And in lieu of defending that statement, you make fairly boring disparagements against me. This could go on all day.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Opinion | The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak

The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

www.wsj.com

 

[verreauxi]

I laugh that people think a new Coronavirus popping up in the same city that houses a Coronavirus lab is a conspiracy theory lol

It 100% leaked out and it'll be kept a dirty little secret from now until the end of time based on the chaos it has caused worldwide.

There are several scenarios at play. The virus 1) jumped from animal to human in one of the "wet markets" in Wuhan 2) was collected from the wild and then accidentally leaked out from the lab, 3) was collected from the wild, modified (not for nefarious purposes, but for vaccine purposes), then accidentally leaked out from the lab, or 4) was completely built in the lab, then accidentally leaked out from the lab, 5) was completely built in the lab then deliberately set free.

I would say the scientific consensus is that 4 and 5 currently do have not strong support, where as 1 or 2 are most plausible; 3 is also a possibility given the research conducted at the lab.

I don't think there's much "conspiracy" behind an accidental lab-leak scenario. It does happen. For example, the reason that the US banned "gain of function" experiments on viruses in 2014 was because of accidental lab-leak/exposures at some CDC labs in the USA (the ban was lifted in 2017 during the Trump administration).

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The debate and actions resulting from the scientific communities view of gain of function are worth a read when considering America's position and partnerships.

This is a broad brush but worth a look.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

 

[Tramps_mate]

It's not about giving it a life. You may disagree, fine, but I don't believe in allowing a dangerous and unsubstantiated belief to continue especially with its origins.

To do so, it legitimises what it was, a racist view, and for many still is underpinned by it. Whether it's anti-Semitism, colour of skin or nationality it's abhorrent.

As I said before, I'm yet to see any truth in it at all. So as I said, why is still promoted? Everyone loves to blame someone, and I wonder why they get it.

Garbage. Its a view of disliking those rich families that self appointed themselves as rulers and controllers of the world...

 

[Tramps_mate]

It's not about giving it a life. You may disagree, fine, but I don't believe in allowing a dangerous and unsubstantiated belief to continue especially with its origins.

To do so, it legitimises what it was, a racist view, and for many still is underpinned by it. Whether it's anti-Semitism, colour of skin or nationality it's abhorrent.

As I said before, I'm yet to see any truth in it at all. So as I said, why is still promoted? Everyone loves to blame someone, and I wonder why they get it.

I think Priti Patel is a tosser. But because she's asian I guess you think I dislike her because I must be racist?

 

[WA Toffee]

I laugh that people think a new Coronavirus popping up in the same city that houses a Coronavirus lab is a conspiracy theory lol

It 100% leaked out and it'll be kept a dirty little secret from now until the end of time based on the chaos it has caused worldwide.

That's the way. Put together 2 pieces of information and conclude that there can only be 1 possible scenario. 100%.

Go on then, give us some details of this 100% guaranteed secret you have uncovered.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That's the way. Put together 2 pieces of information and conclude that there can only be 1 possible scenario. 100%.

Go on then, give us some details of this 100% guaranteed secret you have uncovered.

Its more believable than Covid popped up from a wet market down the road from a Coronavirus Lab...