Conspiracy theories

[rascal]

Textbook this, well said.




Savile had serious dirt on VIP's (including very senior politicians), that's what made him untouchable.




How did this website happen? It was created.

Matter didn't come from nothing, it was 'programmed' to come. Intelligent design. Particle physics all but confirms it's all a design.

Disclaimer: i'm not religious in any way.




I forget if it was @butters or @rascal who went to North Korea, maybe he can shed more light into this particular darkness.




Natural psychedelics planted the first seeds: hallucinations and feelings of the god within. Thereafter came your visual interpretations, attempts at explanation, and eventually rules and control.




You are genuinely correct.

And we all know it.

It was butters, I merely watch videos of female kpop artists.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Particle physics all but confirms it's all a design.

Care to share the evidence and what you feel constitutes "design"?

Natural psychedelics planted the first seeds: hallucinations and feelings of the god within.

Do you read Terrance McKenna?

 

[dead_soft]

My only question I ask about the 'big bang' is, what was before that?
If there was another 'big bang' type event, then what was before that?



Religion and science are the same beast, unproven and semi-realistic.
Until there is 'data' to (dis)prove a theory then.....

oh my, that's quite a statement. You realise science, when done correctly, is exactly proving or disproving a theory with data, right?

 

[dholliday]

It was butters, I merely watch videos of female kpop artists.

*kpop jpop...it's all lollipop*

Care to share the evidence and what you feel constitutes "design"?

Hence the "all but confirms". Our own designs, especially in computer programming, all but confirm the universe itself is an intelligent design. The 'nature' of programming are presets of finely-tuned algorithms which have an almost limitless range of objectives (think procedural generation).

More here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe

Do you read Terrance McKenna?

More of a Timothy Leary man. Design For Dying is amazing.

I can dig a lot of what McKenna said too, tho' haven't deeply read his works. He saw the Machine Elves, and I wonder if he was the first or merely one of many.

 

[dholliday]

*kpop jpop...it's all lollipop*

ffs

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Our own designs, especially in computer programming, all but confirm the universe itself is an intelligent design

I guess to me it's not that persuasive an argument as the epistemological setup that makes the most sense to me is the epiphenomenalist (the wiki page on this doesn't explain it correctly). Meaning I don't really feel we are "designing" anything in the sense I take you to mean it.

More of a Timothy Leary man. Design For Dying is amazing.

Never much cared for Leary, Alpert, or LSD for that matter. Much more a psilocybin kinda guy but I'll check it out.


Edit: Check for Jaegwon Kim's explanation of epiphenomenalism.

 

[magicjuan]

The monotheistic religious concept of God, brimming with benevolence, justice, judgement and love.

It is designed to create subservience, from that comes all ills. And even all the scriptures and holy books that are used to enforce the concept, themselves are full of malevolence, injustice, violence and hatred, misogyny, racism, infanticide, rape, torture, murder.....

It also creates capitalism in its competition with other theisms, as well as having darwinistic tendencies in survivalism.

Control the population with fear and propaganda and false promises.

The same tactics are used today by the cult of celebrity.

All pants.

 

[dholliday]

I guess to me it's not that persuasive an argument as the epistemological setup that makes the most sense to me is the epiphenomenalist (the wiki page on this doesn't explain it correctly). Meaning I don't really feel we are "designing" anything in the sense I take you to mean it.

Never much cared for Leary, Alpert, or LSD for that matter. Much more a psilocybin kinda guy but I'll check it out.

epiphenomenalism is guff to me, it wants to deny our advanced individual sentience by essentially claiming we're unthinking automatons, which is missing the point (the point being the very meaning of life, which is to experience). Haven't read the Wiki definition, how is it wrong?

LSD is to mushrooms like sex is to wanking: deeper, more meaningful and leaves a life-changing impression.

 

[dholliday]

Edit: Check for Jaegwon Kim's explanation of epiphenomenalism.

can you break it down?

 

[dholliday]

The monotheistic religious concept of God, brimming with benevolence, justice, judgement and love.

It is designed to create subservience, from that comes all ills. And even all the scriptures and holy books that are used to enforce the concept, themselves are full of malevolence, injustice, violence and hatred, misogyny, racism, infanticide, rape, torture, murder.....

It also creates capitalism in its competition with other theisms, as well as having darwinistic tendencies in survivalism.

Control the population with fear and propaganda and false promises.

The same tactics are used today by the cult of celebrity.

All pants.

aye, the cult of celebrity has replaced the old religious cults & worship of the pre-'enlightenment' eras.

 

[Sy-]

There is.

We'll yeah, there are scientific theories, but none fact, just our best guesses with the information available to us at this point.

Not that any are conspiracies to be fair, I'm just open to the idea that the universe is either infinite in it's lifespan or circular in some way, the idea that all matter expanded from nothing (or nearly nothing) and that one day it will collapse back into that nothing is hard to fathom.

 

[dholliday]

I'll check it out.

have a good friend with you mate, and beforehand read up on the erowid vaults, lots of useful user feedback:

https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_LSD_First_Times.shtml

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

epiphenomenalism is guff to me, it wants to deny our advanced individual sentience by essentially claiming we're unthinking automatons, which is missing the point (the point being the very meaning of life, which is to experience). Haven't read the Wiki definition, how is it wrong?

LSD is to mushrooms like sex is to wanking: deeper, more meaningful and leaves a life-changing impression.

Whenever I see this phrase I shudder.

It relates it to property dualism last I checked which is just plain wrong headed thinking and any connection to a dualistic framework is.

Haha I have the exact inverse thinking about them. (I've done both well into the double digits) I call acid a party drug and mushrooms a introspection tool.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

have a good friend with you mate, and beforehand read up on the erowid vaults, lots of useful user feedback:

https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_LSD_First_Times.shtml

No the book not acid. I've done that plenty.

 

[dholliday]

We'll yeah, there are scientific theories, but none fact, just our best guesses with the information available to us at this point.

Not that any are conspiracies to be fair, I'm just open to the idea that the universe is either infinite in it's lifespan or circular in some way, the idea that it all expanded from nothing (or nearly nothing) and that one day it will collapse back into that nothing is hard to fathom.

if you're interested read Stephen Baxter's Space. It neatly explains this as being a process, like recycling, which repeats itself.