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Crypto currency (IF banned from CA)


How do I explain HEX to a five year old? So you know those dollar bills, right? You can buy cool things like ice cream with them. Let's say that one cup of ice cream costs $1. Some very powerful people decided that they want to print a lot more dollar bills. They call it "inflation" and you can not do anything to stop it. So now there are twice as many and a single bill is worth only half as much. Now you need $2 to buy your ice cream.

To make sure you can buy enough ice cream in the future you should invest your dollar. HEX is one possible way to invest. If you would have bought HEX with your $1 after it came out 2 years ago those HEX would be worth $10,000 by now... you could buy a whole truck full of ice cream with that.

Only, if I'd invested my Dollar in HEX in November, when the Fed announced it was going to start raising interest rates in response to inflation, it would now only be worth about 20 cents. That will buy me around 80% less ice cream than my dollar bill.

It doesn't seem like a very good store of value or a very good hedge against inflation.

So, what is it for?
 
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  • Transnational criminal organizations have adopted cryptocurrencies. Mexican and Colombian drug cartels have turned to cryptocurrency to make fast, pseudonymous payments, as have traffickers smuggling cocaine from South America through Europe and the Balkans. Furthermore, the authors of the 2021 Trafficking in Persons report noted that authorities have observed human trafficking networks increasingly using cryptocurrency to launder the proceeds of their crimes.
  • As credit card processors have shied away from certain services, websites linked to the commercial sex market, which can facilitate human trafficking, are increasingly accepting cryptocurrency. The authors of a February 2022 Government Accountability Office study found that of 27 of these websites, 15 accepted cryptocurrencies. The Polaris Project, an NGO that works to combat and prevent human trafficking, found that some platforms offer discounted rates to customers who pay with cryptocurrency.
  • Cryptocurrency ATMs, a valuable tool for cross-border remittances and payments, may play a role in both human and drug trafficking. In several ongoing and since-closed cases, trafficking suspects have leveraged high-risk crypto ATMs to make payments, procure false identity documents, and launder money. According to Chainalysis data, crypto ATMs on the I-10 corridor near the southern border of the United States also receive a higher share of USD than other regions, and users along the corridor transact with crypto ATMs at higher rates.
 
Mate youve just called me clueless and suggested its very easy to track transactions made on the dark web.

I mean theres nothing else to say here.
You said the whole point of crypto is that it goes under the radar and leaves no trail. That is nearly as wrong as you could be as the blockchain is a PUBLIC LEDGER.

I said, it is trivially easy to see how much goes in and out of a dark web marketplace or any BTC address for that matter. The point of the dark web isn't to obfuscate crypto transactions but to hide your IP address, that is what the TOR network is for, all these darkweb marketplaces still use a public ledger to buy and sell things.

If you know the wallet address of a marketplace or an exchange or an individual, you can very easily see how much has gone through that wallet.
 
  • Transnational criminal organizations have adopted cryptocurrencies. Mexican and Colombian drug cartels have turned to cryptocurrency to make fast, pseudonymous payments, as have traffickers smuggling cocaine from South America through Europe and the Balkans. Furthermore, the authors of the 2021 Trafficking in Persons report noted that authorities have observed human trafficking networks increasingly using cryptocurrency to launder the proceeds of their crimes.
  • As credit card processors have shied away from certain services, websites linked to the commercial sex market, which can facilitate human trafficking, are increasingly accepting cryptocurrency. The authors of a February 2022 Government Accountability Office study found that of 27 of these websites, 15 accepted cryptocurrencies. The Polaris Project, an NGO that works to combat and prevent human trafficking, found that some platforms offer discounted rates to customers who pay with cryptocurrency.
  • Cryptocurrency ATMs, a valuable tool for cross-border remittances and payments, may play a role in both human and drug trafficking. In several ongoing and since-closed cases, trafficking suspects have leveraged high-risk crypto ATMs to make payments, procure false identity documents, and launder money. According to Chainalysis data, crypto ATMs on the I-10 corridor near the southern border of the United States also receive a higher share of USD than other regions, and users along the corridor transact with crypto ATMs at higher rates.
the FBI managed to seize 3.6 billion worth of crypto, how though?? it goes under the radar and leaves no trail??

 

the FBI managed to seize 3.6 billion worth of crypto, how though?? it goes under the radar and leaves no trail??

You dont understand mate, its ok.

I mean if they are catching 3.6billion, how much ARENT they catching?

But its ok, you know better than everybody.
 
Only, if I'd invested my Dollar in HEX in November, when the Fed announced it was going to start raising interest rates in response to inflation, it would now only be worth about 20 cents. That will buy me around 80% less ice cream than my dollar bill.

It doesn't seem like a very good store of value or a very good hedge against inflation.

So, what is it for?
Nowhere does it say that it is?

'HEX is one possible way to invest'
 
You dont understand mate, its ok.

I mean if they are catching 3.6billion, how much ARENT they catching?

But its ok, you know better than everybody.
No I understand perfectly mate, you clearly don't understand how any of this works. It was you that said it 'goes under the radar and leaves no trail' which is demonstrably false.

Why don't you read the article I posted, this company analyses the blockchain for a living and tracks illicit money


How about this article about how HSBC discovered a £3bn money laundering network - https://www.theguardian.com/busines...osure-of-alleged-money-laundering-to-monitors

That is one bank... how much aren't they catching?
 
No I understand perfectly mate, you clearly don't understand how any of this works. It was you that said it 'goes under the radar and leaves no trail' which is demonstrably false.

Why don't you read the article I posted, this company analyses the blockchain for a living and tracks illicit money


How about this article about how HSBC discovered a £3bn money laundering network - https://www.theguardian.com/busines...osure-of-alleged-money-laundering-to-monitors

That is one bank... how much aren't they catching?
So the FBI/Interpol is tracking it all and just allowing it to happen?
 
Nowhere does it say that it is?

'HEX is one possible way to invest'
It would seem that it does suggest that HEX is a hedge against inflation: "How do I explain HEX to a five year old? So you know those dollar bills, right? You can buy cool things like ice cream with them. Let's say that one cup of ice cream costs $1. Some very powerful people decided that they want to print a lot more dollar bills. They call it "inflation" and you can not do anything to stop it. So now there are twice as many and a single bill is worth only half as much. Now you need $2 to buy your ice cream. To make sure you can buy enough ice cream in the future you should invest your dollar."

Doesn't that suggest that it is a hedge against inflation, since the use case they provide specifically refers to inflation?

Elsewhere on the website you shared it says: "HEX was desgined [sic] to be a Store of Value".

But you are saying that that's wrong and that it's purely speculative? It isn't a currency and doesn't entitle you to a guaranteed return with interest, or a share of future profits in the form of dividends? You just depend on more and more people buying it even though it doesn't otherwise do anything?
 

It would seem that it does suggest that HEX is a hedge against inflation: "How do I explain HEX to a five year old? So you know those dollar bills, right? You can buy cool things like ice cream with them. Let's say that one cup of ice cream costs $1. Some very powerful people decided that they want to print a lot more dollar bills. They call it "inflation" and you can not do anything to stop it. So now there are twice as many and a single bill is worth only half as much. Now you need $2 to buy your ice cream. To make sure you can buy enough ice cream in the future you should invest your dollar."

Doesn't that suggest that it is a hedge against inflation, since the use case they provide specifically refers to inflation?

Elsewhere on the website you shared it says: "HEX was desgined [sic] to be a Store of Value".

But you are saying that that's wrong and that it's purely speculative? It isn't a currency and doesn't entitle you to a guaranteed return with interest, or a share of future profits in the form of dividends? You just depend on more and more people buying it even though it doesn't otherwise do anything?
It depends how selective you want to be of your time frame. If you invested $1 when it launched it would be a good hedge, if you invested $1 when the fed increased rates it would be a bad hedge.

It can be designed to be something and fail in that endeavour, just like Bitcoin was designed to be P2P digital cash and failed also.

Typically there has only ever been two real actual use cases for crypto and they are, store of value and speculation. In both those cases the only thing that matters is, price go up.

Crypto is just a slow, expensive database. One of its only real useful features is censorship resistance, which I personally place a lot of value in.
 

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