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[Nymzee]

It's one side context to the interviews that is being discussed here though, you can indeed listen to the interviews in isolation. Doing shows Hoddle letting himself down as a manager imo, not sure it is worthy of being raked up as a hatchet job in a one sided presentation.

We never said any of that. We just said he's a bellend, and he is, and if you listen to the interviews - isolated or not - it's obvious.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

We never said any of that. We just said he's a bellend, and he is, and if you listen to the interviews - isolated or not - it's obvious.

He stood in front of an entire nation immediately after the match and laid the blame at one player, heat of the moment maybe but he repeated the comments in press the next day too, the worst possible time to throw someone under the bus when a nation is collectively fuming and wants blood and a scapegoat as that's what England fans always want. Absolute arsehole of a human being.

 

[Walken]

We never said any of that. We just said he's a bellend, and he is, and if you listen to the interviews - isolated or not - it's obvious.

It's being said in the Beckham doc thread, which made a concerted one side effort to go after hoddle

 

[Walken]

Both of us are correct in this I think. Brand Beckham is openly discussed throughout the documentary, you'd be a fool to not see this is beckham propaganda, but it's also just a telly show and was a nice nostalgic watch.

I disagree with your view on Hoddles management and handling of the affair, I mean it's not beyond the realms that if it was another player who bore that abuse it could have led to a suicide, Beckham admits to being mentally broken but managed to shut it out at the time, other people are not so strong.

It would still be poor management, wouldn't mean hoddle had killed him or driven him to suicide.

Hopefully Hoddle learned from it, apart from his general weirdness I don't recall too many stories of players describing him as some kind of ogre.

It's hard to tell how sincere beckham is over anything to be honest, his whole life off the pitch seems so carefully constructed for his brand.

 

[Billy Dean]

Here’s a good account of Hoddle’s performance at World Cup 98

The Hod Complex: England and the 1998 World Cup

Rob Smyth takes us back 20 years with his definitive account of England's campaign at the 1998 World Cup in France.

www.eurosport.com

By the time he left most of the squad hated him apparently. He also did that autobiography straight after the World Cup and threw some players under the bus

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

It would still be poor management, wouldn't mean hoddle had killed him or driven him to suicide.

Hopefully Hoddle learned from it, apart from his general weirdness I don't recall too many stories of players describing him as some kind of ogre.

It's hard to tell how sincere beckham is over anything to be honest, his whole life off the pitch seems so carefully constructed for his brand.

Davek kind of a hill die on. The sincerety of Beckham talking about his sending off seems genuine to me even if there's a lot of PR and face saving around his other choices.

 

[Walken]

Davek kind of a hill die on. The sincerety of Beckham talking about his sending off seems genuine to me even if there's a lot of PR and face saving around his other choices.

Possibly, had he shown it somewhere other than documentry about himself in his latest image saving media drive I might but it. Regardless, if the message of treating others with consideration and kindness is driven home then that's a good outcome to go alongside his ever growing income.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Possibly, had he shown it somewhere other than documentry about himself in his lated image saving media drive I might but it. Regardless, if the message of treating others with consideration and kindness is driven home then that's a good outcome to go alongside his ever growing income.

True, if only Hoddle had thought the same way about disabled people.

 

[SJB]

Just on episode 2, the treatment he got after ‘98 is insane. Can’t imagine how bad it was for the likes of Saka too after that shootout.

I don't think that, aside from the usual social media morons, the three who missed pens got much stick from the media tbh, partly due to Southgates management of the aftermath.

Saka certainly wasn't abused at away grounds

Bukayo Saka applauded on Arsenal return by Tottenham fans; Nuno hopes to speak to Harry Kane on Monday

Tottenham fans stand in solidarity with Arsenal forward Bukayo Saka on his first return to action since Euro 2020; Nuno Espirito Santo provides Harry Kane update but refuses to comment on reported pursuit of Lautaro Martinez

www.google.com

 

[Nymzee]

I don't think that, aside from the usual social media morons, the three who missed pens got much stick from the media tbh, partly due to Southgates management of the aftermath.

Saka certainly wasn't abused at away grounds

Bukayo Saka applauded on Arsenal return by Tottenham fans; Nuno hopes to speak to Harry Kane on Monday

Tottenham fans stand in solidarity with Arsenal forward Bukayo Saka on his first return to action since Euro 2020; Nuno Espirito Santo provides Harry Kane update but refuses to comment on reported pursuit of Lautaro Martinez

www.google.com

I was meaning more this. Death threats and racism and all sorts. I think, not being a part of it, Beckham's vilification by the press and public was obscene.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I don't think that, aside from the usual social media morons, the three who missed pens got much stick from the media tbh, partly due to Southgates management of the aftermath.

Saka certainly wasn't abused at away grounds

Bukayo Saka applauded on Arsenal return by Tottenham fans; Nuno hopes to speak to Harry Kane on Monday

Tottenham fans stand in solidarity with Arsenal forward Bukayo Saka on his first return to action since Euro 2020; Nuno Espirito Santo provides Harry Kane update but refuses to comment on reported pursuit of Lautaro Martinez

www.google.com

The difference in man management between Hoddle and Southgate is night and day. Was very impressed with how the young lads were looked after by him.

 

[SJB]

I was meaning more this. Death threats and racism and all sorts. I think, not being a part of it, Beckham's vilification by the press and public was obscene.

The tabloid press were much more brutal back then. It became widely acknowledged that they'd build someone in the public eye up, just so they could knock them down. I think they hoped for the Beckhams to fall from grace in some way from the very minute they started splashing them all over the papers. The thing that annoys me about it all is the anonymity, we refer to them as the media or the tabloid press when there were vile human beings writing and editing these papers.

 

[b-rad]

According to beckhams documentry, by beckham

Did Beckham completely fabricate Hoddle’s comments then?
Did Beckham, in this documentary, control Hoddle’s actions 20-25 years ago?

Of course it’s presented in the documentary from one side. I’m not disputing that. But my opinion is formed on more than just a 10 second clip.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Just watching the first episode and was struck by the OTT commentary when they showed him scoring from his own half. "The first time anyone has ever done that. Pele tried it once but missed". And I thought, I've seen an Everton player do that before then. John Bailey, not the most prolific scoring full back, versus Luton Town in 1982, 14 years before Beckham did it. Pedantic I know but...................................

John Bailey, don't remember that, I remember Cundy doing it !!

 

[b-rad]

I don't think Hoddle can be blamed for people taking a game of footy too seriously, that's on them. I'm sure he let himself down as a manager, but beckham giving the story in the beckham approved and beckham instigated documentary isn't the source material I would choose to condolidate an opinion on Hoddle. The only thing this documentary and the litany of beckham stories that have gone with it is the mans desperation for headlines.

And it's not.
That opinion is one that many people have had on Hoddle for a long time, and has just bubbled to the surface once again after watching the documentary.