2024/25 David Moyes

[GoldenToffee]

He’s got us competing a bit more and like I said about the striker. The smart things are happening behind the scenes with recruitment etc, if he starts shifting blame we know he’s cooked.

We lost but we should have not been beaten there. Everyone needs to remember how big this summer is. Not this last 6 games or so, with the hope that half of these players won’t be here next year.

Your points are all valid, and the bit I've put in bold has really annoyed me in recent weeks.

ALL of Chelsea, City, United, Arsenal and Liverpool (twice) had off days against us / played extremely poorly and the grand sum of points collected against them is 3.

He also oversaw a terrible result in the FA Cup at home against Bournemouth, and now it's been almost three months(!) since we last won at Goodison - some way to bow out of the Grand Old Lady, this.

I'm thankful for his work since he's come back, and it was a heck of a second honeymoon period. Thank God we got the extended bounce because once it ended we've been absolutely crap.

 

[twoblue]

Stop playing Abdoulaye Doucoure and expecting us to be able to string attacking moves together.

People are going to be divided on many manager, history tells us that, its inevitable, particularly as time passes, you get a timeframe before contempt creeps in.

some people change there tune quickly.
Ironically, the squad is probably still playing par for the course.

Moyes got a bounce but we have returned to form. A slight change in style gave us an advantage but the lack of surprises in the squad make us easy to find out.

The palace squad yesterday showed us the players upfront and in midfield that our light years ahead of us. I would say we have the forth worst squad in the division beyond the back four. There’s an argument Ipswich offer more going forward but we are stronger defensively.

we changed the manager but offered little improvement to the squad.

Acartraz the exception, but he comes with conditions that you need to spend a large chunk of our war chest on him if we play enough. He look good to me but we don’t see what goes on in training but it seems the jury is out on whether acartraz is deemed to have a future of the club. Playing him now might improve the current situatation, could mean we have to pull out of other targets, percieved better in the summer.

I hope we improve the squad this summer

 

[Neiler]

How is it silly
If you’re going to mention the guys net spend, then it cover the whole period he was here and his buying and selling. I
Said 15/20yrs and you’ve got your knickers in a twist. 15yrs ago was only 3 yrs before he left. I’m not taking about how well he done I was pointing out , what he did at Everton was a long time ago and things have changed. And as fans we can only go of his last job.

Europe, winning a trophy, all positives
Some of the players he bought and the fees
A big negative

Mate, if you want to believe 12 years go was 20 - shoot for the stars! People livid through it on here and can count.

You see the competing contradiction in your last three lines.

 

[Lanolin]

People are going to be divided on many manager, history tells us that, its inevitable, particularly as time passes, you get a timeframe before contempt creeps in.

To an extent, but the difference with Moyes is that people already know exactly what he is and either like it or don’t. He’s also old enough and experienced for us to know that he isn’t going to change. You either like what he is or you don’t, there isn’t the same scope for changing minds and perceptions that other people would have. There’s already a lot of ‘typical Moyes’ being said both on here and at the game, which by definition you’re not getting with most managers.

 

[Neiler]

some people change there tune quickly.
Ironically, the squad offers no really options.

Moyes got a bounce but we have returned to form. A slight change in style gave us an advantage but the lack of surprises in the squad make us easy to find out.

The palace squad yesterday showed us the players upfront and in midfield that our light years ahead of us. I would say we have the forth worst squad in the division beyond the back four. There’s an argument Ipswich offer more going forward but we are stronger defensively.

we changed the manager but offered little improvement to the squad.

Acartraz the exception, but he comes with conditions that you need to spend a large chunk of our war chest on him if we play enough. He look good to me but we don’t see what goes on in training but it seems the jury is out on whether acartraz is deemed to have a future of the club. Playing him now might improve the current situatation, could mean we have to pull out of other targets, percieved better in the summer.

Agree with all that mate - have always maintained the squad was very limited, Moyes got what an additional 20% out of it for a 4 or 5 game run - but we've gone back t our mean of just drawing games or loosing.

TBF to the players they are really game and trying to be competitive, they just aren't at the level, it was evident yesterday, Chelsea just had better quality layers, one kick with one chance they got it was in the back of the net.

Ruthlessness is required.

Dyche or Moyes - i don't think anyone else is doing much better with these players bar the momentum of change with margins, then either did.

 

[Neiler]

To an extent, but the difference with Moyes is that people already know exactly what he is and either like it or don’t. He’s also old enough and experienced for us to know that he isn’t going to change. You either like what he is or you don’t, there isn’t the same scope for changing minds and perceptions that other people would have. There’s already a lot of ‘typical Moyes’ being said both on here and at the game, which by definition you’re not getting with most managers.

I see that mate. But i also see a lot of - he's a really good manager and do well here, but he's been here before, which i find contradictory.

The familiarity breeding contempt is inevitable anyway.

In many ways what he did in round 1 here and WHU in the last five years in terms of recovering the clubs - is exactly what we need. We need to hire the skills, not the persona.

 

[Delargeinho]

Stop playing Abdoulaye Doucoure and expecting us to be able to string attacking moves together.

I hope he does start with Ndiaye, Alcaraz and Dwight (if ready for 90 min). Last 4-5 games were more games to react than to act. Mostly worked well.

First 60 min yesterday were really terrible on the ball. Next game against Ipswich at Goodison we surely can demand to control the proceedings and be in charge from start to finish.

 

[JLW]

To an extent, but the difference with Moyes is that people already know exactly what he is and either like it or don’t. He’s also old enough and experienced for us to know that he isn’t going to change. You either like what he is or you don’t, there isn’t the same scope for changing minds and perceptions that other people would have. There’s already a lot of ‘typical Moyes’ being said both on here and at the game, which by definition you’re not getting with most managers.

I think for many, myself included were so disgusted in what we was watching under Dyche that when Moyes came in and gave us something that resembles 'playing football' we was all like 'wow what is this' I think it says more about Dyche than Moyes himself, I've said before that Dyche's football was the worst I've ever seen in my lifetime.

You're right Moyes it what he is and he wont change.
I think what you get with Moyes more often than not is he usually maximizes the ability in each player and team.
He will never challenge for titles, but what I'm hoping for is he gets us floating around 6th-9th for most of next season, he can deffo do that but i think that's his ceiling.

If he does that then next summer should be when we make the change to someone who is more of a winner.

 

[DuncansPigeons]

Some people have massively short and selective memories. Are we really questioning the guy that’s lost 4 league fixtures in his time here? Against City, Chelsea, Villa and Liverpool?

Under Lampard, Clown Trousers, Dyche we went on runs of no wins in 13/14 games, with mostly losses in there.

He’s got us competing in games and looking to score goals. Are there too many draws? Absolutely but there’s only so far you can go with this squad and he deserves a chance to rebuild it

 

[Groucho]

Would you say Alcaraz is a "donkey" ?

Because based on the evidence of the Palace game (motm 1assist & 1 goal) and today (so close to a couple of assists)...when hes allowed central;

I would say hes not a donkey.

The clear donkey imo is Doucoure who has been playing ahead of him

3 posters called me a "red" for saying i didnt celebrate the Doucoure goal the other week - this is why.

Moyes will keep playing him and likely extend his contract.

There is nothing but 13th (lol) to play for.

Posters saying "Zat is a red" and "I trust Moyes" regarding Doucoure / Alcaraz are 1000% behind Moyes.

Surely @Groucho like many posters today can see Alcaraz is someone Moyes has not been using for alternative reasons to footballing ability?

If so we clearly aren’t privy to the reasons why.

 

[NathDogg]

Some people have massively short and selective memories. Are we really questioning the guy that’s lost 4 league fixtures in his time here? Against City, Chelsea, Villa and Liverpool?

Under Lampard, Clown Trousers, Dyche we went on runs of no wins in 13/14 games, with mostly losses in there.

He’s got us competing in games and looking to score goals. Are there too many draws? Absolutely but there’s only so far you can go with this squad and he deserves a chance to rebuild it

Great post mate, evertonians are the best self sabotagers going.

Give the man a chance after what he has done in repairing the damage the Burnley brexit buffoon inflicted on us.

 

[Vaughan]

i think the big frustration and reactions are because of the hope and optimism that’s come back, it really does kill you

we came to accept poor decisions and abject performances under dyche

with moyes we know there’s something there, that pretty much every decision has been spot on and that he’s wrung every last drop out of the squad he has and the players he has had available

now we are safe and have more players returning, it’s frustrating to see doucoure persisted with, alcaraz not given time, ndiaye being hooked before doucoure and harrison, keane being brought on etc

not everything can go right, but I’m hoping he can see just how poor doucoure was, even up to the offside and pathetic loopy cross at the end (both coming after good work from Charly) and will drop him for Ipswich and beyond

we really need to see them together on the pitch, ipswich at home is the perfect opportunity to try it

though having said that i remember us playing norwich or someone at home in 2012/13, and i think Fellaini was injured or suspended and everyone expected Barkley to come in and be given a go, but instead it was Hitzelsperger …

that was the final straw for me then, I’m hoping that doesnt come soon again this time around

 

[hallamblue]

i think the big frustration and reactions are because of the hope and optimism that’s come back, it really does kill you

we came to accept poor decisions and abject performances under dyche

with moyes we know there’s something there, that pretty much every decision has been spot on and that he’s wrung every last drop out of the squad he has and the players he has had available

now we are safe and have more players returning, it’s frustrating to see doucoure persisted with, alcaraz not given time, ndiaye being hooked before doucoure and harrison, keane being brought on etc

not everything can go right, but I’m hoping he can see just how poor doucoure was, even up to the offside and pathetic loopy cross at the end (both coming after good work from Charly) and will drop him for Ipswich and beyond

we really need to see them together on the pitch, ipswich at home is the perfect opportunity to try it

though having said that i remember us playing norwich or someone at home in 2012/13, and i think Fellaini was injured or suspended and everyone expected Barkley to come in and be given a go, but instead it was Hitzelsperger …

that was the final straw for me then, I’m hoping that doesnt come soon again this time around

He's a safety first manager who won't have too many flair players in the team. That will never change

 

[Vaughan]

He's a safety first manager who won't have too many flair players in the team. That will never change

what’s frustrating is that Alcaraz and N’Diaye are both grafters

N’Diaye in particular is our best player at winning the ball back high up the field after Gana, I think his stats relative to duels is possibly even better

 

[DuncansPigeons]

Great post mate, evertonians are the best self sabotagers going.

Give the man a chance after what he has done in repairing the damage the Burnley brexit buffoon inflicted on us.

It’s genuinely baffling. I detested going the match under Dyche, being told that the squad was rubbish, we’re naive to want more etc. I’m made up to just have some semblance of Everton back after the last few years

We played against a billion pound squad yesterday and largely held our own, yet you get this tired rhetoric of “Moyes fails again”. Ignoring the fact no Everton manager has won their since Joe Royle. And that’s largely down to billions of pounds spent by them!