2024/25 David Moyes

[marnie]

He will be gone by Xmas and it starts from keep playing Doucoure and not buy Alcaraz.
Just another dinosour.

IN a bit lad.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Could be right. Sometimes 2+2 does equal 4 though. Benitez bringing in Rondon, Carlo signing Allen, Martinez bringing in a whole lot of crap from Wigan.
Moyes himself at Sunderland signing loads of his Everton players, as well as taking Fellaini to Man Utd.

I can see it happening tbh.

He's got friendly faces here already, namely Coleman and Baines.

 

[terryefc]

Love Moyes. We were going down without him.
I also trust his eye for a player. He's got huge esperience and - finances and PSR allowing - he'll find us some diamonds.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Hes not building it on his own, TFG has built a whole team around him.

Hes not doing it alone.

Do we have the right men? Who knows, the law of averages suggest not, do I have the name of the right men? Nope.

All I know is that Moyes has done very well since he came in, he has a stellar record last time he was here, so why not Moyes? I dont want answers, cos im sure there are several thousand.

People talk about Beto's "purple patch." I'm beginning to think that "purple patch" has made Moyes look better than he is. We compete in games. We do not ever look like scoring unless Beto creates one of his own chances. Moyes needs to fix that. When we have McNeil and Charly on the bench and we are persisting with Doucore in the no. 10 position, he is not trying to fix the problem. Hell, Dom would make a better no.10 than Doucore at this point. I would not even mind seeing Dom and Beto. We are getting crosses in. We are no threat in the middle. It was the complete opposite under Dyche. We have to be versatile.

 

[CielosGrises]

He's a step above what we have had in recent years and he isn't at his ceiling yet.

We have to do a lot with the squad this summer regardless.

 

[Goat]

People talk about Beto's "purple patch." I'm beginning to think that "purple patch" has made Moyes look better than he is. We compete in games. We do not ever look like scoring unless Beto creates one of his own chances. Moyes needs to fix that. When we have McNeil and Charly on the bench and we are persisting with Doucore in the no. 10 position, he is not trying to fix the problem. Hell, Dom would make a better no.10 than Doucore at this point. I would not even mind seeing Dom and Beto. We are getting crosses in. We are no threat in the middle. It was the complete opposite under Dyche. We have to be versatile.

Playing a good player in Dom, is only achievable when hes fit.

 

[JLW]

People talk about Beto's "purple patch." I'm beginning to think that "purple patch" has made Moyes look better than he is. We compete in games. We do not ever look like scoring unless Beto creates one of his own chances. Moyes needs to fix that. When we have McNeil and Charly on the bench and we are persisting with Doucore in the no. 10 position, he is not trying to fix the problem. Hell, Dom would make a better no.10 than Doucore at this point. I would not even mind seeing Dom and Beto. We are getting crosses in. We are no threat in the middle. It was the complete opposite under Dyche. We have to be versatile.

Bit harsh on Moyes he has done a great job since coming back here.

I would say competing in games is a good sign, we just don't have the quality to finish teams off, or turn draws into wins and loses into draws.
I'm starting to think he may not be here next season, IMO he deserves to be but i wouldn't be disappointed or surprised if he wasn't.

We know his task was to keep us in this league and he has done that with ease, i do think though these last 4 games could be defining whether TFG keep him next season or not.

 

[Rita_Poon]

4 games left, 4 wins is 12 points and we finish on 50 for the season. That's nigh miracle stuff.

There's us, west ham and the bottom three with single digit wins this season so far. Ok, we're the draw specialists still.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Bit harsh on Moyes he has done a great job since coming back here.

I would say competing in games is a good sign, we just don't have the quality to finish teams off, or turn draws into wins and loses into draws.
I'm starting to think he may not be here next season, IMO he deserves to be but i wouldn't be disappointed or surprised if he wasn't.

We know his task was to keep us in this league and he has done that with ease, i do think though these last 4 games could be defining whether TFG keep him next season or not.

I'm not wholly concerned about the W's so much as the decision making that has led us to the zero creativity in the middle. I do think wins are infinitely more important than draws though. If we go into next year grinding games out for draws and not banking on scoring and creating chances, we may as well have signed a mid table manager. I have seen warning signs. He needs to be a proactive manager and look for solutions. It's a dead season where we could learn a lot about the team and earn more prize money at the very least.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

It's not being 'gloomy'
Nobody was more pleasantly surprised and pleased that he managed to Un-Dyche the team.
But as Moyes goes on he'll just 'Moyes it' more - But it's better than Dyche which was all he had to be.

When (hopefully) we get some better players, he'll just be playing KITAP1 a bit high up the League...and being higher up the League is not to be sneezed at.

Baring one of his notorious sometimes slow starts where we've only got 3 or 4 pts deep into October he'll see his contract out.
So let see if he can break his away duck at all the usual suspects.

I was writing 12+ yrs ago about Moyes...gist.
All Moyeses 'good' points - and there are many - got us where we are, but all his 'bad' points stop us going any further.
We have (had back then) a decent team - just take the handbrake off a little

No Everton manager has been better than Moyes in the Premier League though, and he has an extra dimension when he has Alan Irvine as his number two. You forget what they did for the club with a very small budget?

Who knows what their ceiling is? They certainly are hungry for success and have proved themselves far more than getting in some random overseas coach because he sounds exotic.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I’m not suggesting it is. Also not suggesting we get a 30 goal a season striker now. (I’ve made it very clear previously in other posts that Lukaku was a one off for us in PL terms and should not be the baseline for our strikers).

I also agree he found some ‘good’ players in that position. But for a team regularly finishing top 7/8, it’s not a massive expectation to want a striker to consistently score 10+ a season. (Posts on here have that expectation on DCL for example even when we are bottom 3/4)

But in the decade he was here, these are all the players he used as striker as we were unable to settle with one to build around which is why I feel he struggled (not because he didn’t find some decent strikers at times as he did):

Radzinski, rooney, McBride, McFadden, Ferguson, Campbell, Jeffers, Bent, Vaughan, Chadwick, beattie, Johnson, jutkiewicz, yakubu, vellios, Saha, Jo, Anichebe, agard, jelavic, Stracq.

In that decade, only 1 of those scored 10+ in all comps in more than one season.

I guess Louis Saha is chopped liver? Eight, 15 and 10. Kevin Campbell did it too, as did Andy Johnston.

 

[Marius57]

I guess Louis Saha is chopped liver? Eight, 15 and 10. Kevin Campbell did it too, as did Andy Johnston.

8, 15, 9 for Saha .(one of the good/decent strikers I was referring to but didn’t hit double figures twice for us).
Campbell didn’t do it under Moyes. In 02/03 he got 12, following season got 1.

As I said, only 1 managed it. Which was Johnson.

There were decent strikers in there as I’ve said. But the struggle seemed to be the consistency and finding one to build around. Which is why we went through so many.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

8, 15, 9 for Saha .(one of the good/decent strikers I was referring to but didn’t hit double figures twice for us).
Campbell didn’t do it under Moyes. In 02/03 he got 12, following season got 1.

As I said, only 1 managed it. Which was Johnson.

There were decent strikers in there as I’ve said. But the struggle seemed to be the consistency and finding one to build around. Which is why we went through so many.

I’m seeing 8, 15, 10 and two for Saha.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Phase 1 - Get us safe.
Phase 2 - Take substantial points from the final round of games - starting now.

I see this as Moyes' audition to stay at the club and oversee a full squad revamp. Nothing less than comfortably winning the two home games and at least 1 point from the two away games - 7 from 12.

At this point we're now looking at not for a single second having entered positive goal difference the entire season, neutral goal difference for a pitiful 25 minutes in matchday 1.

 

[brieverton]

We need a lot of extra goals in the squad. From midfield too. Not enough players with enough goals currently.

Our best chance is to spead that out and try to get a main striker that can score a minimum of 15. You have to be very lucky with the choice of signing though. A reliable goalscorer is hard to find at the prices we can afford, and it's a gamble either way. We won't be buying guaranteed goals. The scouting has to be better than good.