2024/25 David Moyes

[GrandOldTeam]

Oh I want the very best mate make no mistake , but if we have a strong finish to the season I just don't see Friedkin sacking him.

I wouldn't shed a tear mind .
If a top class manager becomes available & achievable we should do it in any circumstances.

I can understand fans being reactionary. Some who swear he's the messiah here and now, were raging at the prospect of him coming in a few years ago. Some who thought he was amazing last month, will think he's awful in May. That's football.

But owners - every decision they make should be in the interest of making us the best we can be. If they think that's Moyes, then fair enough. The only point I'd make to that he wasn't their priority/preferred choice until Dyche jibbed it. A handful of results - either way, shouldn't decide whether sacked or retained.

He's either the best man we can get for the job, or he isn't.

 

[blue to the bone]

He's going to be here next August .
So thinking we will have someone else will be here is a moot point.
Let's see how he does then. If he isn't doin well by November the owners will make a decision. But that could also depend on the backing he gets in the summer.

 

[Neiler]

 

[blulouie]

I can understand fans being reactionary. Some who swear he's the messiah here and now, were raging at the prospect of him coming in a few years ago. Some who thought he was amazing last month, will think he's awful in May. That's football.

But owners - every decision they make should be in the interest of making us the best we can be. If they think that's Moyes, then fair enough. The only point I'd make to that he wasn't their priority/preferred choice until Dyche jibbed it. A handful of results - either way, shouldn't decide whether sacked or retained.

He's either the best man we can get for the job, or he isn't.

I was livid when he came back , but I will acknowledge we were in a really bad position and in no position to attract a top manager.
He did well to steer us away from trouble.
Would I personally like to see him lead the team out at Bramley-Moore?
For me that is a NO.
I want better.

But I understand my feelings won't come in to Friedkin's thinking. He may see progress and a trophy winning manager that rescued West Ham , giving them a platform to kick on.
Is that enough for Friedkin ?

 

[MikeH72]

It’s where the trade go

 

[Eggs]

…as posters know, I also put a lot of store in FA Youth Cup so delighted to see Moyes mention it.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Reading things like this makes me think he might get a role after he is manager, like DoF or Sporting Director looking after the whole club philosophy.

What could Moyes achieve with us as manager before he steps away in 2 years? He has proven he can take teams to the Europa and Europa Conference league, that is what he will do at Everton maybe as early as next season but I think that is his ceiling, likewise with his record in domestic trophies I don`t think he can deliver a trophy for Everton.

That is obviously a point for the future and I wish he`d take the safety off and have a go at teams, like a poster said earlier you can see more safety 1st creeping in when realistically we have nothing riding on the rest of this season.

Moyes is definitely the man for now but IF TFG are as ambitious as they claim we will need to see an evolution of the Everton philosophy from low possession and low block football to more Gegenpress and Posssession based ethos.

Forest have done well counter attacking but they will not keep them at the top for season after season and the challenge for Nuno is to find the evolution to keep Forest in the Champions League spot. The money and the players Forest could attract playing in the CL means we are behind another club in the pecking order.

 

[Zatara]

Possibly, it if there were talks about a reduced salary extension I would have thought it had been reported in the press but I’ve not seen anything and he tweeted the other day he was enjoying playing his last few games at Goodison

There will be ongoing conversations with agents all the time.

I dont want Doucoure to stay -- but i wouldnt put it past Moyes to want to keep him around.

 

[Zatara]

He always loves a bit of self promotion doesnt he...

 

[NSNO1878EFC]

I was livid when he came back , but I will acknowledge we were in a really bad position and in no position to attract a top manager.
He did well to steer us away from trouble.
Would I personally like to see him lead the team out at Bramley-Moore?
For me that is a NO.
I want better.

But I understand my feelings won't come in to Friedkin's thinking. He may see progress and a trophy winning manager that rescued West Ham , giving them a platform to kick on.
Is that enough for Friedkin ?

Which better managers would realistically want to come here at the moment? Especially if they see that the job Moyes has done since he arrived won’t be good enough.

The club is probably in the most stable position it’s been in for years, another year or two of Moyes should hopefully make us even more stable which will allow us to look for better managers at that point.

 

[Drico]

It really isn't mad talk though, there are games in the last 9 games that we should have won, and i expect better than 1 in 9, this league is poor, i think we've played some teams we should of beat in that run, and to suggest its 'mad talk' to expect that, is silly for me.

It's also a false equivalency, you're correlating Sean Dyche to any competent manager, which he isn't, he was doing incredibly bad, Moyes has come in and done far better, but which is great, and should be applauded, but he should have also done slightly better at times.

1 win in 9 isn't good enough for anyone managing everton football club, but that does not dismiss the good work he has done.

I got called a clown in emoji terms above for mentioning a simple fact: we have one win in nine. Some people don't like the truth, it seems. Yet, I don't think one win in nine is criticism of Moyes. I think he's done brilliantly since he came in and the squad of players he currently has is not going to win, say, five from nine and draw the other four. They're just not good enough. One win in nine is simply the reality of what we face. It shows that for all the eulogising of Moyes by people who seem weirdly invested in him, he still faces the issue any manager here would face: the players are crap. The implied criticism of "one win in nine" is of the squad. Moyes has done the job asked of him superbly.

Then you need to ask yourself is Moyes the man to improve this significantly now that the job asked of him changes. My answer is not in the long term. I think he can improve us this summer and get us top half next season. That, to me, would be genuine progress and achievable. It's a poor league. A good summer - with financial backing from the Friedkins and transfer acumen (where you would hope Moyes comes in) should make that attainable.

But what then? Further progress in the league - contending for a European position - and a cup. Can Moyes deliver those? I think you need somebody who can attract better players at that point to make those things more likely.

 

[blulouie]

Which better managers would realistically want to come here at the moment? Especially if they see that the job Moyes has done since he arrived won’t be good enough.

The club is probably in the most stable position it’s been in for years, another year or two of Moyes should hopefully make us even more stable which will allow us to look for better managers at that point.

"At the moment" no one.

Come summer ( if results haven't gone well for Moyes ) a sizable war chest and a big fat salary , there'd be plenty of takers.

 

[NSNO1878EFC]

"At the moment" no one.

Come summer ( if results haven't gone well for Moyes ) a sizable war chest and a big fat salary , there'd be plenty of takers.

The problem is there wouldn’t be much of a war chest if Moyes goes because millions (maybe more than £10 million) would be needed to pay him off.

Also, I’m not sure I want a manager just to want to come for a big salary.

The goal for Moyes when he came in was to keep us up and he’s done that comfortably, I doubt results from now will play much of a part as to whether he stays or goes. Everyone is hopefully already planning for summer.

 

[davek]

Yes, and we know he likes selling them too.

 

[james2805]

People say 1 win in 9. But use the precise stat that fits their narrative. Also it's 2 in 9 if you're talking about premier league.

Like if you go back a few more games it's 4 wins in 12.

And then there is the fact that in the 9 games you speak of, we played against Liverpool x2, Arsenal, United.

People are quick to forget that we was 1 point above relegation zone when he came in. And yet months later you want to be disappointed at draw results against Liverpool and Arsenal.

How about the fans actually allow the man some actual time in the job to sculpt his own team and tactics and show we had can do to elevate the team and club again. Rather than wanting him out again after 4 months because he didn't beat the league champions.