Confirmed Signing Davy Klaassen

[davek]

And Celts and Lyon when he looked very good against both teams mate

Hard to judge from that league and honestly doubt very few have seen him outside of the europa games for Ajax when United game apart he's looked very good, second half of the second leg against Lyon like against United the entire Ajax team played poorly.

Can he do it in this league, we won't know till he starts playing in it. As for why he could only be thought off as a box to box midfielder in that league, why exactly, because he's not blessed with pace etc? His general movement, engine and ability of popping up late into the box should translate well, he'll lampard, scholes and numerous others excelled in this league without being the biggest or fastest.

If he's the sum addition in terms of attacking midfielders/wingers etc, then yeah a concern maybe, if he's brought in as a replacement for outgoings such as McCarthy though then its good business as he at least gives us a different dynamic in what he offers the team.

A midfield where we have the options of schneiderlin, gueye, klassen and davies with players like besic, Walsh, dowell hopefully ready to step up is a hell of a lot better than we've had for many a year. And for Europa is essenstial to have that depth.

This will be a case of trusting the manager to spend the cash wisely. He knows him more than we do and will have his idea that he can make the step up from the Eredivisie to the PL.

Personally I look at the few games I have seen and I wondered what all the fuss was about....reading between the lines I suspect that's your view too....

 

[AaronTheBlue]

I could look this up, but can't be bothered, how many of his goals have been pens? Just out of interest more than anything.

honestly no idea,

but even if he only adds 7-10 goals to us, it makes a difference over the season, how many goals did our players score behind rom?

our top goal scorer was about 5 right?

 

[Joey66]

honestly no idea,

but even if he only adds 7-10 goals to us, it makes a difference over the season, how many goals did our players score behind rom?

our top goal scorer was about 5 right?

Ross got 8 ? not sure but if a rookie midfielder who looked outclassed v UNT wants 100k per week you can see why Ross deserves more!

 

[Little Ralphy]

Hey guy's,

My first post here. I've been lurking around for a while, but haven't been bothered to post yet.

I'm Dutch and I support Ajax. I think I might be pretty well equipped to tell you something about Davy Klaassen. I've seen a lot of rubbish posted in this thread (no offense). But some of you have surprisingly good knowledge of the Dutch league.

Let me get a few things out of the way first:

The Dutch league is trash - True
Davy Klaassen is a goal scoring midfielder - False
Davy Klaassen is the Dutch Barry Ferguson - False
Davy Klaassen is a good player - True
Dirk Kuyt scores 20 goals in the Dutch League at 36 - True, 15 to be exact (embarrassed and crying)

My first question to you guy's is, what do you expect to get in a player like Klaassen? His stats suggest he is a goal scoring midfielder, but that is in the Dutch League where defenders are crap or inexperienced. I definitely don't see him score 10+ goals a season in the Premier League like Van der Vaart did at Spurs for example. That doesn't mean he is a bad player though. His game really changed this season. Instead of the number 10 people always saw in him, he became more of a dynamic box to box midfielder. He's the one who drives this young Ajax team forward, pressing opponents and linking up defense and attack. And make no mistake, when he is on his game he does this very well. His work rate is second to none. He will run after every ball and press the opponent for 90 minutes. Unfortunately sometimes he goes missing from games and you won't notice him even being on the pitch. In some cases this might have something to do with the opponent. Like in the Europa League Final. Where Man United basically parked the bus and had no intention to play. (Though to be fair to him none of the Ajax players showed up that game and he wasn't going to do it all by himself). In games like that you don't really have good use for Klaassen. He is not a creative player like Eriksen who can open up a defense. He is intelligent though and he knows where to position himself and run between the lines or in gaps left by defenders. This is where he gets his goals.

It's all about expectations (knowing what type of player you get). I don't think he is worth 30 million euro's. But in this day and age and the money available in the Premier League nothing really surprises me. Ajax will try to get the best deal possible and I'm sure Koeman knows him very well and what type of player he is. So there is a match. I hate to see him go, but I understand he needs a new challenge. I personally think Everton is a really good fit, because he is getting a manager who knows exactly how to get the best out of him and Klaassen has room to improve (playing in a better league).

Doesnt sound like the kind of player we need really. I'd rather see Tom Davies play that role. If we spend that kind of money we need end product, or some sort of exceptional athleticism, as well as footballing ability.

 

[blue61]

Would prefer Siggy but ok

Bad for your health mate.

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Ross got 8 ? not sure but if a rookie midfielder who looked outclassed v UNT wants 100k per week you can see why Ross deserves more!

Ross got 5 mate, 6 including the cups.

I've seen Barkley look outclassed this season in one off games by far lesser teams than united too, so not much of a barometer to go off, added to the fact i think they're very dissimilar players, Klaasen doesn't seem to be the creative / sigurdsson / eriksen type, he seems to be a worker who gets goals.

 

[davek]

You should get a job as a scout- since you clearly have far greater insight than Steve Walsh and his team. I'm sure we'd kick Walsh out if you rocked up.

Also, on Schneiderlin being "average"... you realise that means nothing unless you state the scale you're talking on.

Top 4 midfielders?
Premier League midfielders?
All professional midfielders?
An even wider group perhaps?

I trust my own judgement on players. I dont care what others think. If they point something out I dont see then I take it on board. I certainly dont defer to the judgement of Walsh or Koeman or anyone else. Why should I? I know my own mind.

Your 'scale': I measure all Everton players in terms of where they would fit into a bona fide CL spot team (which means looking at basically the teams ahead of us last season apart from a very ropey Liverpool). Do I see Schneiderlin as an automatic starter in any of them? No. He'd get a game but couldn't be guaranteed a starting place. Of our lot we have now only Lukaku, Barkley and possibly Coleman could force their way into those teams.

 

[Joey66]

I trust my own judgement on players. I dont care what others think. If they point something out I dont see then I take it on board. I certainly dont defer to the judgement of Walsh or Koeman or anyone else. Why should I? I know my own mind.

Your 'scale': I measure all Everton players in terms of where they would fit into a bona fide CL spot team (which means looking at basically the teams ahead of us last season apart from a very ropey Liverpool). Do I see Schneiderlin as an automatic starter in any of them? No. He'd get a game but couldn't be guaranteed a starting place. Of our lot we have now only Lukaku, Barkley and possibly Coleman could force their way into those teams.

Yes and we may sell two of those players , and the other one has an horrific injury - its the Everton way selling to buy- nothings changed!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I trust my own judgement on players. I dont care what others think. If they point something out I dont see then I take it on board. I certainly dont defer to the judgement of Walsh or Koeman or anyone else. Why should I? I know my own mind.

I dunno... Self awareness?

Your 'scale': I measure all Everton players in terms of where they would fit into a bona fide CL spot team (which means looking at basically the teams ahead of us last season apart from a very ropey Liverpool). Do I see Schneiderlin as an automatic starter in any of them? No. He'd get a game but couldn't be guaranteed a starting place. Of our lot we have now only Lukaku, Barkley and possibly Coleman could force their way into those teams.

If you think Barkley would get into those teams' starting XI's while at the same time thinking Schneiderlin wouldn't.... yikes.

But aside from that.... so you measure players against fitting into a bonafide CL spot team, then term Schneiderlin as average.

So he's an average CL spot standard player.

That'll do for me.

 

[davek]

Yes and we may sell two of those players , and the other one has an horrific injury - its the Everton way selling to buy- nothings changed!

Klaassen is a deflating signing if it happens.

Not one of the CL spot chasing teams would touch him and that's my worry, as well as seeing him in the odd game or so and he hasn't looked first rate.

It's a hell of a gamble with the thick end of £30M.

 

[davek]

I dunno... Self awareness?


If you think Barkley would get into those teams' starting XI's while at the same time thinking Schneiderlin wouldn't.... yikes.

But aside from that.... so you measure players against fitting into a bonafide CL spot team, then term Schneiderlin as average.

So he's an average CL spot standard player.

That'll do for me.

Average has an upper and lower level to it. It's a broad spectrum. He's at the higher end of it but not an elite player.

If you want to think he is then that's your prerogative. There was no queue around the block to sign him when United let him go.

 

[MikeH72]

Hey guy's,

My first post here. I've been lurking around for a while, but haven't been bothered to post yet.

I'm Dutch and I support Ajax. I think I might be pretty well equipped to tell you something about Davy Klaassen. I've seen a lot of rubbish posted in this thread (no offense). But some of you have surprisingly good knowledge of the Dutch league.

Let me get a few things out of the way first:

The Dutch league is trash - True
Davy Klaassen is a goal scoring midfielder - False
Davy Klaassen is the Dutch Barry Ferguson - False
Davy Klaassen is a good player - True
Dirk Kuyt scores 20 goals in the Dutch League at 36 - True, 15 to be exact (embarrassed and crying)

My first question to you guy's is, what do you expect to get in a player like Klaassen? His stats suggest he is a goal scoring midfielder, but that is in the Dutch League where defenders are crap or inexperienced. I definitely don't see him score 10+ goals a season in the Premier League like Van der Vaart did at Spurs for example. That doesn't mean he is a bad player though. His game really changed this season. Instead of the number 10 people always saw in him, he became more of a dynamic box to box midfielder. He's the one who drives this young Ajax team forward, pressing opponents and linking up defense and attack. And make no mistake, when he is on his game he does this very well. His work rate is second to none. He will run after every ball and press the opponent for 90 minutes. Unfortunately sometimes he goes missing from games and you won't notice him even being on the pitch. In some cases this might have something to do with the opponent. Like in the Europa League Final. Where Man United basically parked the bus and had no intention to play. (Though to be fair to him none of the Ajax players showed up that game and he wasn't going to do it all by himself). In games like that you don't really have good use for Klaassen. He is not a creative player like Eriksen who can open up a defense. He is intelligent though and he knows where to position himself and run between the lines or in gaps left by defenders. This is where he gets his goals.

It's all about expectations (knowing what type of player you get). I don't think he is worth 30 million euro's. But in this day and age and the money available in the Premier League nothing really surprises me. Ajax will try to get the best deal possible and I'm sure Koeman knows him very well and what type of player he is. So there is a match. I hate to see him go, but I understand he needs a new challenge. I personally think Everton is a really good fit, because he is getting a manager who knows exactly how to get the best out of him and Klaassen has room to improve (playing in a better league).

Excellent mate, thanks for sharing. Could you also confirm that he is nothing like Steven Naismith, who is an utter turd cart horse of a player with the technical ability of a cucumber? Because these comparisons are popping up far too often for my liking and they need expunging.

 

[BlueToff]

Is he? Apart from the last named, I'd reserve judgement on that.

In regards to MS - whom Stevo is on about - I'd say you can't really compare him to three of those players.

Fellaini is basically a second-striker. He's gash in central midfield really.

Ramsey is an attacking mid, as is Eriksen.

I'd say of the other three, MS is currently the best, though Wanyama pushes him close.

 

[davek]

Hey guy's,

My first post here. I've been lurking around for a while, but haven't been bothered to post yet.

I'm Dutch and I support Ajax. I think I might be pretty well equipped to tell you something about Davy Klaassen. I've seen a lot of rubbish posted in this thread (no offense). But some of you have surprisingly good knowledge of the Dutch league.

Let me get a few things out of the way first:

The Dutch league is trash - True
Davy Klaassen is a goal scoring midfielder - False
Davy Klaassen is the Dutch Barry Ferguson - False
Davy Klaassen is a good player - True
Dirk Kuyt scores 20 goals in the Dutch League at 36 - True, 15 to be exact (embarrassed and crying)

My first question to you guy's is, what do you expect to get in a player like Klaassen? His stats suggest he is a goal scoring midfielder, but that is in the Dutch League where defenders are crap or inexperienced. I definitely don't see him score 10+ goals a season in the Premier League like Van der Vaart did at Spurs for example. That doesn't mean he is a bad player though. His game really changed this season. Instead of the number 10 people always saw in him, he became more of a dynamic box to box midfielder. He's the one who drives this young Ajax team forward, pressing opponents and linking up defense and attack. And make no mistake, when he is on his game he does this very well. His work rate is second to none. He will run after every ball and press the opponent for 90 minutes. Unfortunately sometimes he goes missing from games and you won't notice him even being on the pitch. In some cases this might have something to do with the opponent. Like in the Europa League Final. Where Man United basically parked the bus and had no intention to play. (Though to be fair to him none of the Ajax players showed up that game and he wasn't going to do it all by himself). In games like that you don't really have good use for Klaassen. He is not a creative player like Eriksen who can open up a defense. He is intelligent though and he knows where to position himself and run between the lines or in gaps left by defenders. This is where he gets his goals.

It's all about expectations (knowing what type of player you get). I don't think he is worth 30 million euro's. But in this day and age and the money available in the Premier League nothing really surprises me. Ajax will try to get the best deal possible and I'm sure Koeman knows him very well and what type of player he is. So there is a match. I hate to see him go, but I understand he needs a new challenge. I personally think Everton is a really good fit, because he is getting a manager who knows exactly how to get the best out of him and Klaassen has room to improve (playing in a better league).

That ^^^ is frightening.

I suggest everyone reads that and takes it on board.

 

[davek]

In regards to MS - whom Stevo is on about - I'd say you can't really compare him to three of those players.

Fellaini is basically a second-striker. He's gash in central midfield really.

Ramsey is an attacking mid, as is Eriksen.

I'd say of the other three, MS is currently the best, though Wanyama pushes him close.

'Box to box' is the sold as sign.

He has no pace and he'd be found out here.

I'd rather offer a few quid for Leroy Fer and have him on standby for games.