Demba Ba

[bluebab]

Ok, I'll accept a verbal beating over this, so, here goes...

When people have quoted his scoring record, in the Prem and elsewhere, I thought - yep, definitely the kind of player we need.

When people were comparing the price vs quality, and what's in our price range, again, I thought he'd be a quality acquisition.

But, when I actually watched that You Tube footage, of his time at West Ham, I honestly couldn't see what the fuss was about. Our own bunch of strikers have had that many near misses, this season - that was the problem!

This is my own opinion, but, I honestly do not think that we have missed out on something major, here.

Eden Hazard, last year, was a major, MAJOR, miss out, but Ba? I reckon Moyes could well have spotted someone of equal calibre, in another league, somewhere else. Without, admittedly, the proven (though only 5 months) Prem experience, but also without the proven Prem price tag.

Again, only my opinion though, peeps .

 

[neonleon]

The delusion and bitterness from you lot. I thought you might be different from your red brethren but I guess it's a city-wide affliction.

You realise that you've all plucked the 70k/high wages thing from your arses and that he's actually on a heavily incentivised contract?

Never mind lads, I'm sure Beckford will bang them in for you next season.

I'm sure even if we have to hold a raffle in the cavern on friday night to find lads who want to play, or get all our players from pound stretcher, we'll still finish above you lot.

How long will Pardew last you reckon, before them bare chested, big moobed, fat bellied inbreds start howling for shearer?

 

[Neiler]

Just watching him on SSN, increseingly happy we dodged this lid, no doubt he will get 10 -15 goals - but really have a bad feelingabou that fella. I rate the lid but something doesnt sit right with me about him.

 

[Jib in lad]

The class from you lot. I knew you would be different from your red brethren but I guess it's not a city-wide affliction.

You realise that you've all spot on the 70k/high wages thing from your bellybutton and that he's actually on a heavy contract?

Never mind the buzzcocks lads, I'm sure Beckford will bang them in for you next season.

Fixed .

 

[neonleon]

As for delusion, surely the only club that had an open topped bus do a tour of the city before a rapturous ceremony in the stadium - not to celebrate a cup but the signing of a has been red ****e player who spent four years on the sick rather than embarrass himself in your colours.

Jog on mate. Mercenary United fans are the most deluded in the league.

 

[broudie]

Its not so much whether he went there for extra money or not than it is the fact people are so keen to harshly criticise a player for doing so.

Thats what annoys me.

There's a strange thing among football fans that players should share the same beliefs as fans.

It's not strange at all. As I said above, integrity is a disappearing virtue, yet one which appeals to most of us. There's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps in 30-40 years time when people can barely remember what it was like for footballers to live on the same planet as us, metaphorically speaking, noone will care - but they do right now to be honest.

Few of us would turn down an opportunity to make that kind of money, but not everyone would go to the highest bidder every time - especially if other bidders can still give you the ability to live the rest of your life more than comfortably.

The same prinicipal applies to the Chelsea/Man City question.... Would you rather:

a) have a billionaire walk in and 'buy' the title within 3 years

or

b ) build a title winning TEAM steadily over 10 years with a mixture of youth products and clever additions

neither answer is right or wrong - but I'd wager an awful lot of fans would vote B - because you've maintained your integrity.

 

[Tubey]

It's not strange at all. As I said above, integrity is a disappearing virtue, yet one which appeals to most of us. There's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps in 30-40 years time when people can barely remember what it was like for footballers to live on the same planet as us, metaphorically speaking, noone will care - but they do right now to be honest.

Few of us would turn down an opportunity to make that kind of money, but not everyone would go to the highest bidder every time - especially if other bidders can still give you the ability to live the rest of your life more than comfortably.

The same prinicipal applies to the Chelsea/Man City question.... Would you rather:

a) have a billionaire walk in and 'buy' the title within 3 years

or

b) build a title winning TEAM steadily over 10 years with a mixture of youth products and clever additions

neither answer is right or wrong - but I'd wager an awful lot of fans would vote B - because you've maintained your integrity.

I'd take A in a flash, but prefer B. However, B is pretty much impossible in the modern game, because teams who got A will buy B's youth products and clever additions.

See, under Moyes we've basically been B. There hasn't been a title winning B since the 1990's.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

It's not strange at all. As I said above, integrity is a disappearing virtue, yet one which appeals to most of us. There's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps in 30-40 years time when people can barely remember what it was like for footballers to live on the same planet as us, metaphorically speaking, noone will care - but they do right now to be honest.

Few of us would turn down an opportunity to make that kind of money, but not everyone would go to the highest bidder every time - especially if other bidders can still give you the ability to live the rest of your life more than comfortably.

The same prinicipal applies to the Chelsea/Man City question.... Would you rather:

a) have a billionaire walk in and 'buy' the title within 3 years

or

b ) build a title winning TEAM steadily over 10 years with a mixture of youth products and clever additions

neither answer is right or wrong - but I'd wager an awful lot of fans would vote B - because you've maintained your integrity.

Its not the same scenario as your question, your question is for the fans.

Ask it to the players.

Which would you rather :

A : sign for Man City for £30 million and £200,000 a week and win the title after 3 years playing with world class superstars, or

B : sign for Everton and win the title after 10 years after hard work, good attitude and a mix of young kids and clever signings?

How many players would honestly go for B?

Integrity? What does integrity have to do with a professional football? Nothing in the way it does for a fan.

If Ba wants to play for Newcastle instead of us good luck to him. I don't care why. He doesn't have to justify it to me or anyone else and i'm not gonna criticse him for it.

Even if i wouldn't of made that decision, but i'm an Everton fan and he isn't.

 

[tony hibberts right foot]

To the barcode fan posting on here ill be honest the fact you can pay more wages than us for a player is quite galling, but nevertheless look at the type of player your throwing money at, as ive stated hes not my type of player and im glad you lot stumped up, in my opinion, an astronomical amount of wages for a player of his limited ability. Yous have a grand history of doing that with players and you must only hope it doesnt come back round and bite yers in the arse again.

 

[neonleon]

Its not the same scenario as your question, your question is for the fans.

Ask it to the players.

Which would you rather :

A : sign for Man City for £30 million and £200,000 a week and win the title after 3 years playing with world class superstars, or

B : sign for Everton and win the title after 10 years after hard work, good attitude and a mix of young kids and clever signings?

How many players would honestly go for B?

Integrity? What does integrity have to do with a professional football? Nothing in the way it does for a fan.

If Ba wants to play for Newcastle instead of us good luck to him. I don't care why. He doesn't have to justify it to me or anyone else and i'm not gonna criticse him for it.

Even if i wouldn't of made that decision, but i'm an Everton fan and he isn't.

Well done for arguing the case from a false position above. He signed for Newcastle, not City. Their is little to no footballing reason, or ambition involved. just a fat wad of cash as per usual.

 

[neonleon]

Apparently ex newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd phone him up to recommend newcastle to demba baa baa personally.

Really he's been led like a sheep. Baah.

 

[broudie]

Its not the same scenario as your question, your question is for the fans.

Ask it to the players.

Which would you rather :

A : sign for Man City for £30 million and £200,000 a week and win the title after 3 years playing with world class superstars, or

B : sign for Everton and win the title after 10 years after hard work, good attitude and a mix of young kids and clever signings?

How many players would honestly go for B?

Integrity? What does integrity have to do with a professional football? Nothing in the way it does for a fan.

If Ba wants to play for Newcastle instead of us good luck to him. I don't care why. He doesn't have to justify it to me or anyone else and i'm not gonna criticse him for it.

Even if i wouldn't of made that decision, but i'm an Everton fan and he isn't.

It's the same principal, you're asking fans about their club. I haven't directly criticised Ba, or asked him to justify it either - I said good luck to him. I understand the decision, my opinion is he's not got much integrity, in a footballing sense.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Well done for arguing the case from a false position above. He signed for Newcastle, not City. Their is little to no footballing reason, or ambition involved. just a fat wad of cash as per usual.

I take it you didn't actually read Broudies post i was replying to then?

You should try it.

 

[RFUS]

Amazed you can post this. Such a simplification of the reality its practically an untruth.

We offer a stable club, that has been top ten for years now - as opposed to a club that has just rebounded from division 2. A club that has had a manager in place for almost a decade (compared to playing under ten plus managers with probably a new one coming in the new season) - a manager that gets the best out of players, whose stock normally rises under his tutelage and who go on to play for their respective national teams. A manager that has won manager of the year three times. We have a state of the art training facility and we are in a better position than Newcastle to push for honours next year. 6th or 7th place normally is Europe and we were unlucky not to secure it last season.

Suggesting that its just a few league places is disingenuous. If this was purely a footballing decision its extremely doubtful Newcastle would have even had a look in.

Alas once again the toon have gazumped a player with their mighty cheque book of power. If history shows us anything - Emre, Smith, (christ I can't remember the others but there was a few wasn't there) - its that Moyes will use Newcastle to his advantage once more, as a device that sniffs out the mercenaries who are content to draw mega wages whilst languishing in the lower regions of the league and barely breaking a sweat on the pitch.

I'm talking from a neutral perspective.

Personally I think we're 10 times better than them, and the atmosphere of this club is 10 times better, too. But players want money and glory. If they can't have the latter, then they'll always go for the former. We're not likely to win anything, nor are we likely to get in the CL, however much we want to believe that, as Evertonians.

So I repeat, a few extra league places is not enough to make up for an extra 40% in wages.

 

[neonleon]

I take it you didn't actually read Broudies post i was replying to then?

You should try it.

Right little keyboard warrior aren't ya