derren brown and the lottery!

[Goat]

Ok, sombody catch me up. Havent watched any of this, tried to follow the thread, but it lost me.

 

[kenada_blue]

I said that the only misleading he did was to convince people to watch his bullshit.

There was no maths involved with his 'explanation', nor was there anything left to theorise over, other than 'so what camera trick did he really employ?'

Used to be a fan aswell.

But weren't you just thinking it was a camera trick in the 1st place? He was never going to change your mind about that.

It think it's great that he's just fueled peoples minds over it. Nowdays we are all 1 step ahead of everything, we know how things work or are done. Browns just given you a number of "explanantions" and like he says you can not believe him.

It's just interesting to me that he can keep you guessng.

 

[tim howards hair]

reckon his last explanation about an insider job was how he really did it

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yes, that's interesting, because that's an actual thing you can do. He's not manipulating the odds of his choice coming out, just that he'll pick something more likely than the other person. Which unfortunately had nothing to do with how he said he did the lottery. So pointless really.

There was a message behind every mini experiment tonight. All to do with "predicting" randomness, aka, lottery.

Its part of a series, try to get past the lottery publicity. The psychology and maths he comes out with is very interesting.

 

[kenada_blue]

He didn't say why the numbers were not revealed in front of a live audience on Wednesday.

Nor why he used 1 handheld camera at the front of the stage yet showed one fixed camera at the back at the start of the show.

Nor why a professional Channel 4 production had a shaky screen.


Nor why he didn't show the balls numbered before the draw. (Cause showing the numbers he came up with as a result of what he said happened with this whole people in a room writing down numbers business would not of breached any legality that BBC have to show the results first).

Convienent that.

I'm sure by this time tomorrow plenty of people will of debunked his reasoning tonight.

Not showing the balls was just a showmans trick, I've no doubt that when he put the board above the numbers had something to do with it all.

The 2 cameramen thing is nothing. If you're doing a production special effect, the people doing it will by a computer somewhere in the background in a room with a team of people, which is how live things go. 2cameramen give you 2 angles, you've also got another live feed encase camera 1 goes down.

The shaky cam again is a choice as the camera was moving with brown from the off walking into the studio. It's a style choice just like the empty studio.

It would be far easier to shoot the whole thing static because the moving camera for any fx shot would mean the screen would have to be tracked. You can only do that in post production ie the show was all prerecorded.

Now that can be a possibility, comping the fx over a prerocded footage.

IMO is that the split screen idea isn't something that can work with a moving camera on a live show.

If it is a camera trick, some other ideas other than that might be more plausable

 

[ToffeeMark]

camera trick, thats why there was no independent witnesses and why he didn't tell his team of fools what there numbers were. there was probably a marker on the balls which a computer projected image was pinned to so that if he moved them, the image moved to. Probably a Piece of cake with todays technology, this is one example from a brief web search:

Live Video and CGI Mix Seamlessly in NHK's Future Studio

The camera beams infrared light on to the set, and reflective panels behind the presenters bounce it back to the camera and on to the video system, where the computer-generated background can be accurately composited with the live video image.

"It is more accurate than chroma-keying, as the HD video cameras integrate the live video with the infrared data in a manner that is high-precision, real-time," said Hidehiko Okubo, from the Human and Information Science Department of NHK.
The integration is also more accurate. In the demo, the CG image stayed put regardless of whether the cameraman zoomed in or out, up or down.

Probably a small reflective panel on the balls, case closed.

 

[heatmeiser]

There was a message behind every mini experiment tonight. All to do with "predicting" randomness, aka, lottery.

Its part of a series, try to get past the lottery publicity. The psychology and maths he comes out with is very interesting.

My God, is Danny the only person who got this?

Darren (Derren) is so tongue in cheek it's ridiculous.

Everything he says has meaning. From 'I was eating Oxtail soup, I love it!', to 'On Wednesday I was very handsome and predicted the lottery'.

The guy is a master, and above all else is very watchable and makes highly entertaining TV programs.

He doesn't pretend to be magic, or psychic. He just confuses you.

To be honest, I think i fancy him.

 

[steevie]

The National Lottery is fixed and Derren Brown has inexplicably just put his foot in it.

 

[fozzy]

bollox missed it!

tooth ache and having a good go at cutting a finger off made me miss this!!

think i might need to go to a and e tommorow!

 

[kenada_blue]

camera trick, thats why there was no independent witnesses and why he didn't tell his team of fools what there numbers were. there was probably a marker on the balls which a computer projected image was pinned to so that if he moved them, the image moved to. Probably a Piece of cake with todays technology, this is one example from a brief web search:

Live Video and CGI Mix Seamlessly in NHK's Future Studio

The camera beams infrared light on to the set, and reflective panels behind the presenters bounce it back to the camera and on to the video system, where the computer-generated background can be accurately composited with the live video image.




"It is more accurate than chroma-keying, as the HD video cameras integrate the live video with the infrared data in a manner that is high-precision, real-time," said Hidehiko Okubo, from the Human and Information Science Department of NHK.
The integration is also more accurate. In the demo, the CG image stayed put regardless of whether the cameraman zoomed in or out, up or down.

Probably a small reflective panel on the balls, case closed.

do you know how much that would cost? More than the entire years budget of hollyoaks. Have you seen a big budget movie where the fx are rubbish? Well they spent 100s of thousands to get that rubbish shot in post.

So you're telling me they spent all that money on a prototype led robotcontrolled cameras, for 30 seconds to a minute of footage to seemlessly impose the numbers on the balls that he also moves and touches? Can't be done.

Unless I'm shown otherwise. Any other camera tricks?

 

[heatmeiser]

The most obvious answer - which is normally the case - is that the Wednesday night draw is recorded earlier, say at 8 or 9pm and he simply got his mate in the audience to tell him the numbers

Either way, i repeat my earlier statement that the man is a great entertainer and i really fancy him.




/clucks like a chicken and stuffs a feather in his bum.

 

[kenada_blue]

The most obvious answer - which is normally the case - is that the Wednesday night draw is recorded earlier, say at 8 or 9pm and he simply got his mate in the audience to tell him the numbers

Either way, i repeat my earlier statement that the man is a great entertainer and i really fancy him.




/clucks like a chicken and stuffs a feather in his bum.

He's superb IMO. We all know he didn't predict the lottery, but no one knows how he did it. That's good magic.

 

[Brownie]

Have to agree with Neo here, wasn't as entertaining as usual.

I reckon he was doing something with his hand over his mouth as the numbers came up on the TV.

 

[SevertonT]

wouldnt it be brilliant if all of a sudden hundreads of people won this satdays lottery.

i mean, there is absolutely nothing stopping me from getting 22 people and doing what he did.

take 20 people.
chip in 5p a week.
do all the maths and stuff
get one ticket with the 6 numbers
see what happens

get all of them and between the 20 of you, you'll win 350k
get 1 ball right and win 50p = 45p profit.

 

[Brownie]

wouldnt it be brilliant if all of a sudden hundreads of people won this satdays lottery.

i mean, there is absolutely nothing stopping me from getting 22 people and doing what he did.

take 20 people.
chip in 5p a week.
do all the maths and stuff
get one ticket with the 6 numbers
see what happens

get all of them and between the 20 of you, you'll win 350k
get 1 ball right and win 50p = 45p profit.

I was thinking everyone that bought a ticket last week and didn't win should send him a letter asking for their one pound back.