Do away with draws

[Robert Jarvis]

Just an idea for a little chat. What if instead of score draws the victory and the 3 points was given to the away side ala the Euro comps, so the only draw that would count for 1 point would be a no score draw.

Now I am no great shakes on statistics but I wonder how that would make the Prem look? Just an idea to shake up our football.

 

[Chris]

I think the game is fine as it is in large. I'd not try to 'fix' anything.
I would like to see goal line electronics and offside electronics introduced. Maybe instant video replays in stadiums too, but other than that the game is growing old beautifully for me. Let it be.

 

[SuitsBlue]

wouldnt work, imagine all those england players taking penalties for their clubs, stevie fuckwits soliciters and michael shithouse crack hound owens solicitors would prevent such a measure.

 

[Rob]

I was thinking of something similar to this but slightly different, IMO the points as it is really benefits the teams that either win or lose and hinder teams like us who usually win, sometimes draw and rarely lose.

Don't get me? well lets take a 10 game example.

Everton, win 5, draw 4 and lose 1. points = 19

Spurs (for eg) win 6, draw 0 and lose 4. Points = 18.

Now thats one point different, but our record is FAR superior but the points do not reflect it.

Ok, so lets say the points system is changed to 4 for a win and 2 for a draw. now all of a sudden, in the same run of games we get -

28 points and a team like spurs would get - 24 points. a clear 4 point gap showing our far superior record.

well, its something to think about anyway?

 

[monty]

I was thinking of something similar to this but slightly different, IMO the points as it is really benefits the teams that either win or lose and hinder teams like us who usually win, sometimes draw and rarely lose.

Don't get me? well lets take a 10 game example.

Everton, win 5, draw 4 and lose 1. points = 19

Spurs (for eg) win 6, draw 0 and lose 4. Points = 18.

Now thats one point different, but our record is FAR superior but the points do not reflect it.

Ok, so lets say the points system is changed to 4 for a win and 2 for a draw. now all of a sudden, in the same run of games we get -

28 points and a team like spurs would get - 24 points. a clear 4 point gap showing our far superior record.

well, its something to think about anyway?[/QUOTE]

Nope

 

[Latch]

Simple is best, the point system is perfectly ok as it is.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

It was just something to think about Ev. It does not mean that because the present system has been around for some time that there is not room for thinking of improvement. I also agree with Ichigo about bringing IT into the game. But that would not have made any difference at Newcastle where the linesman was clearly thinking of last night's S**G. That fellow cost us at least 1 point if not all 3.

 

[bluekiwi]

Well it could be worse, they could go the Rugby League way, and have essentially golden goal route - makes for good watching apparently.

Personally I think sometimes a draw is a fair reflection on a game - not always mind!

As for a different point system, to be honest look at the table if you employed the 4 points for a win, and 2 for a draw, not exactly a huge difference!

AS IS 	NEW			P	W	D	L	F	A	D	AS IS	NEW
											
1	1	Manc Utd		31	25	3	3	74	21	53	78	106
2	2	Chelsea		31	22	6	3	55	19	36	72	100
3	3	Liverpool		31	17	6	8	48	21	27	57	80
4	4	Arsenal		30	16	7	7	52	28	24	55	78
5	5	Everton		32	13	11	8	43	28	15	50	74
6	6	Bolton		31	15	5	11	36	38	-2	50	70
7	7	Tottenham		31	14	6	11	44	44	0	48	68
8	9	Reading		31	13	5	13	43	39	4	44	62
9	8	Portsmouth	31	11	10	10	37	32	5	43	64
10	10	Blackburn		31	12	4	15	37	45	-8	40	56
11	13	Newcastle		31	10	7	14	34	40	-6	37	54
12	15	Manc City		31	10	7	14	23	34	-11	37	54
13	14	Middlesbrough	31	9	9	13	32	38	-6	36	54
14	11	Aston Villa	31	7	14	10	30	36	-6	35	56
15	12	Fulham		32	7	14	11	33	49	-16	35	56
16	16	Wigan		31	9	6	16	30	45	-15	33	48
17	17	Charlton		32	8	7	17	29	49	-20	31	46
18	18	Sheffield Utd	31	8	7	16	25	45	-20	31	46
19	19	West Ham		31	7	5	19	25	51	-26	26	38
20	20	Watford		31	3	11	17	19	47	-28	20	34

 

[Latch]

It was just something to think about Ev. It does not mean that because the present system has been around for some time that there is not room for thinking of improvement. I also agree with Ichigo about bringing IT into the game. But that would not have made any difference at Newcastle where the linesman was clearly thinking of last night's S**G. That fellow cost us at least 1 point if not all 3.

I was not saying that your idea was a bad one Robert, just that i think the point system is ok as it is.

What you are suggesting as a talking point is that the away side get all three points if the game ends in a score draw.

Two scenarios ~

1) The HOME side are winning 3-0 at half time, the away team score three in the second half, you could argue that as the away side they deserve to collect all three points.

2) The AWAY team is 3 up at the interval, the home side come out for the second half all guns blazing, breathtaking football etc.........., they get back to 3-3 and dont get anything for their efforts, what a sickener that would be, they would have needed to score four to get three points.

My argument is that any side that manages to claw their way back from a 3-0 defecit deserve a share of the spoils irrespective of if they are the home or away side.

I dont even agree with goal-line gizmos, to my mind it would steralize the game, make it clinical and robotic as a spectacle.

The ' Beautifull Game ' is beautifull the way it is, and the reason for that is that ' human error ' is still involved, give me the controversies, injustice and talking points any day of the week, some decisions go for you some go against, over the course of a season they even themselves out.

Hi-Tech means the end of the game as we know and love it now, just imagine no more ' we wuz robbed ', Unthinkable!

Give me a ' specsaver ' ref any day of the week, makes footy and life in general more exciting.

COYB

 

[Robert Jarvis]

It was just food for thought, remember the system was changed before to it's current state. No doubt there were people saying then no need for change. Interesting in the info provided it really favours our club.

 

[monty]

It was just food for thought, remember the system was changed before to it's current state. No doubt there were people saying then no need for change. Interesting in the info provided it really favours our club.

No doubt Robert you are right, it is supposedly done in the name of progress. I still find it incredible to believe that the World Cup is now settled by penalties, not in line with the ethics of the game I was brought up with.

 

[Rob]

Everyone have a look at the table bluekiwi posted, it shows that before bolton won we would have been 4 points ahead and going into tonight game one point ahead and not 3 points behind.

not a big difference? MY ARSE! its a 4 point difference and clearly displays that the current system favours teams that win or lose and hardly ever draw.

 

[monty]

Lets have a reality check here, it doesn't matter a flying f---, the league is based on its present rules, end of story. Arguments like this are only relevent when, at the end of season, many clubs want to change the points structure, I hear no clamour in this regard.

 

[Rob]

well, its a debate thats all

I think I make perfect sense (for once) and shouldn't clubs who win and draw be higher than clubs who win and lose?

 

[monty]

well, its a debate thats all

I think I make perfect sense (for once) and shouldn't clubs who win and draw be higher than clubs who win and lose?

Would you think anything else Rob

The idea of this system was prevent the boring defensive draw, which it has done to a degree hence I support it