Do They Know?

[Papa Shango]

Do you know what, I think i will just log off for today, some of you do my head in regarding this. Proper thickos. You have not got a [Poor language removed] clue.

As a fanbase we need to get him gone. It obviously won’t set things straight, but things won’t improve whilst he’s stinking the place out. Please Bill, for the good of the club you supposedly love, get to f^(K.

I get the issues with him in the past (I don't necessarily agree with them but I get them) but its 2022, Moshiri has been the man here for years, to point at anyone ahead of him is totally taking the eye off the ball.

 

[BNJ1878]

True but nothing to do with Kenwright.

True.

We did not have the money. Are you saying we should have spent what we did not have? We did that under Johnson and all of a sudden he was selling players under the managers nose. We are also doing that currently and it has led us to not being able to spend anything lately.

No, but he could have put us up for sale. Not a 24/7 'search for investment' but a big massive "For Sale - Premier league football club" sign on the park end.

The owner will do what he wants.

Maybe, or maybe if he sees a proper plan he's less inclined to meddle. That's guesswork, but so is your claim he'll do what he wants.

Gregg is well dodgy. It was a move that could have been great but also could have crippled us. The last bit is pure conjecture.

Dodgy? Who invited him to join the board. Oh, that's right.

No we didn't regress though, we actually improved from battling relegation to constant Euro qualification. This is factual but does not fit the agenda. Still nothing to write home about but it is not regression either.

You're right, football IS a results driven business. Sadly the results on the pitch are only a small part of it. Despite the strong run of Eiropean qualification, we were still unable to attract proper commercial partners to help us kick on. It all comes from the top. Failed.

There is no case or defence being made, just a clearing up of what exactly is going on and has been going on. Some people are targeting the wrong person which in 2022 I find to be utter madness.

Not targetting the wrong person at all.

He (Kenwright) needs to go, ASAP. He can take all his hangers on with him.

(If Moshiri can find a buyer I'd be perfectly fine with that too)

 

[Papa Shango]

True.

No, but he could have put us up for sale. Not a 24/7 'search for investment' but a big massive "For Sale - Premier league football club" sign on the park end.

Maybe, or maybe if he sees a proper plan he's less inclined to meddle. That's guesswork, but so is your claim he'll do what he wants.

Dodgy? Who invited him to join the board. Oh, that's right.

You're right, football IS a results driven business. Sadly the results on the pitch are only a small part of it. Despite the strong run of Eiropean qualification, we were still unable to attract proper commercial partners to help us kick on. It all comes from the top. Failed.

Not targetting the wrong person at all.

He (Kenwright) needs to go, ASAP. He can take all his hangers on with him.

(If Moshiri can find a buyer I'd be perfectly fine with that too)

It is targeting the wrong person though. Moshiri is the one who has the final say in everything.

Deffo not wrong about the commerical stuff of course, even daft things like I remember queuing up for tickets once (cant remember what game but it was a big one) with a few hundred other people and the club shop was shut. There are times I feel like we don't even want to make money. We keep making those mistakes even now like the Cazoo deal, we/they have opted out of a second year at the end of the first year and now we may go down and not get a deal even close to the one we have now (which was fairly low in the first place!)

Moshiri is responsible for that so by the very nature of the problem he is the one who need to get rid of Kenwright and he is not doing so, therefore it's he who is the problem! He is why we are in our current situation.

 

[BNJ1878]

Deffo not wrong about the commerical stuff of course, even daft things like I remember queuing up for tickets once (cant remember what game but it was a big one) with a few hundred other people and the club shop was shut. There are times I feel like we don't even want to make money.

One of many examples.

We keep making those mistakes even now like the Cazoo deal, we/they have opted out of a second year at the end of the first year and now we may go down and not get a deal even close to the one we have now (which was fairly low in the first place!)

Was it them that Opted out or us?, pretty sure I have an email from DBB saying 'we decided.' I'll have a look.

Moshiri is responsible for that so by the very nature of the problem he is the one who need to get rid of Kenwright and he is not doing so, therefore it's he who is the problem! He is why we are in our current situation.

He's responsible insomuch as he still hasn't recognised that the chair and the majority of the board belong in a skip down at Bramley Moore, but everything else is Day to Day admin of the business.

All roads lead to Kenwright.

 

[Stevie Nicks Bootleg]

Sobering reading seeing those league titles then and now, although it has to be stressed that judging success on league titles alone doesn't tell the full story of the Pre-Prem era, when to many managers, players and, above all, fans, the FA Cup was the best thing to win- unlike now where the Premier League has swamped it, in glamour, attendances and importance.

 

[Khalekan]

The rot had started way before that. Realistically it started in round 1988. Lack of Europe, sold our best players replacing them with players who were not as good and missing the Premier League gravy train.

The game has changed, we were left behind when the Premier League kicked off and went further down past that.

Under Kenwright's "reign" we were pretty much the best of the rest for the most part (again nothing to celebrate but hardly awful either) whilst the big money clubs continued to dominate the league buying up everything and everybody. We cut our cloth accordingly in the meantime instead of "doing a Leeds" and chasing a dream that was not sustainable.

Now we have the dream chaser in charge who thinks that throwing money at everything will fix all our woes, it obviously will not.

As always with these cases I never see any alternative suggestions other than impossible dreams with no basis in reality. A ground move we couldn't afford (which is no guarantee of success either) or selling to some murderous regime or some scumbag billionaire who couldn't give a toss.

We all want better, of course we do. How we get that though is not as easy as some like to make out evidently.

And don’t forget….”best of the rest” meant the 5th place trophy then, not the 7th place one.

City hadn’t won the Lottery at that stage and Spurs hadn’t mysteriously been mistaken for a super successful football club.

 

[Carlito]

Unfortunately, it's too late to do anything about him now. The damage is well and truly done.

He's successfully played the fans against one another for years on end, surviving an incredible litany of debacles, failures and outright lies that would put any of these dreaded 'unfit' foreign owners to shame.

The fact that we're now stuck with Moshiri as a direct result of him lying and lying and lying about Green (just a coincidence that those shares were sold as soon as the BHS scandal hit?) is the icing on the cake.

Even that isn't enough to convince his fanatical following, though. They'll tell you he's powerless now, but that he's also fighting a one-man crusade against this mad dictator, who for some reason doesn't seem to be able to just sack a chairman who deliberately used his media connections to derail a managerial appointment in January (Pereira).

He's here until he dies, same as the rest of us.

 

[barneygumble]

He was a board member, he didn't take over the club until 1999.

I have never once said he was great or anything (or even good) just a bog average chairman who kept us on a fairly even keel and nothing else.

The current incumbent is dangerous.

Who was it enabled by mate?

Torrents of lies, refusing to entertain owners who didn’t want him.

Moshiri is a disaster, but if Kenwright let’s go of his vanity project, and allows the club to go into good hands, then we’re well put the mess.

The reality is, Moyes saved Kenwright, and that was solely on a Walter smith recommendation, after Kenwright was dead set on Gary Megson.

 

[Billy Dean]

"You can't blame Bill any more, he's only the Chairman"

 

[Billy Dean]

Generally speaking of course, it is well known in business circles that a Chairman is generally one of the most powerless in a business. Completely impossible to exert any kind of influence as Chairman

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Do you know what, I think i will just log off for today, some of you do my head in regarding this. Proper thickos. You have not got a [Poor language removed] clue.

I get the issues with him in the past (I don't necessarily agree with them but I get them) but its 2022, Moshiri has been the man here for years, to point at anyone ahead of him is totally taking the eye off the ball.

I agree with you that Moshiri is the main man, and the main reason why this club finds itself in this precarious position.

Kenwright sold the club to this scumbag though, because he was happy enough to leave him stay on as chairman.

Kenwright wanted a situation, where he could both have his cake and eat it. The right buyer for this club in Bill Kenwrights eyes, was whoever was willing to let him stay involved with Everton.