2021/22 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

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johnjoeefc said:
Arguably we aren't playing to his strengths
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He offers nothing as far as I see.

If there's not balls into the box he has to be running hard to get on the ball and make things happen. But he's a passenger.

He wont be any great loss if he's sold this summer.
 

davek said:
He offers nothing as far as I see.

If there's not balls into the box he has to be running hard to get on the ball and make things happen. But he's a passenger.

He wont be any great loss if he's sold this summer.
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The only one I wouldn’t want to sell is Gordon. The rest can go.
 
Bluerover said:
Neil, how often had we so many sustained periods of injury in the 70s, 80s, 90s, O0s. Never mind earlier decades when there were no subs.

There is a stink coming from this squad.
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There's a huge debate for this and it's down to, believe it or not, better conditions for everything from a young age. Hear me out here, as it is a long read for something that won't get read anyway.

Basically, if we take the NBA as an example (as there's more statistical data there because America) - see players back in the day and how they lived and trained. Other than obvious outliers like Jordan etc. they were never under the pressure to play that hard since they were 15-16. No rigours on every single muscle group, no personal training to the same extent, diet was always different and no one gave a crap.

Things became much more commercialised and with a lot more money to be made in this, teams/players started 'taking care' of their bodies and wanting more and more and more out of players from early on, to the extent of getting out of high school/college already well built and muscular. Sure, that means they'd be better instantly (at least physically, no replacement for skill obviously), but the toll on the bones and muscles during periods of growth always come back to bite them a few years down the line. Currently, off the top of my head, only Jordan and LeBron are the ones that have avoided this consistently - MJ through amazing and focused body work stretched over a few seasons, intensely only during one summer, and then retaining that same build. LeBron stopped bulking a long time ago, but he's also a literal freak of nature. Nowadays you see players who are much bigger and have a wide array of skills... at, like, 18 to 22. Jordan did this when he was 27 or so, already a few years in the league. Currently there are many players who make the league but retire early or never live up because of season ending injuries (ACL tears and, similar to Dom, many muscle injuries, especially quad/calf/knee) and don't play for literally a full season or two before they get going.

Then you have Charles Barkley, nicknamed "The Round Mound of Rebound", who is famous for being great but also taking 0 care of his body. Much like most people from that age.

Then from a more recent time you have Shaq - entered the league age 20, literally bulldozing people as he was built like, well, a bulldozer. There was obviously the fact he's also freakish in his physique, but people thought that this is what peak basketball is, so this is still the rule to this day - big and muscular from age 18 onwards.

It's pretty much the same in football currently, and DCL age 20-21 had impressive muscles built on a large frame - these things take their toll quickly. I mean, I've not had his work ethic or opportunities for training and I got similar injuries to him back when I played, age 16-17, and didn't recover for ages as well, as it always hurts when you run, even if you can walk.

That said, I think he's just in a poor run of form and he's actually a bit crap when the going gets tough, which is weird for someone who came in and showed desire to run himself into the ground. Which also highlights the above-mentioned thing.

Anyway, people in here will blame him for getting injured. Imagine.
I personally blamed Jagielka and Arteta so bad when they had those long injuries. Gomes obviously wanted his leg broken, shocking he's not come back the same player. Don't get me started on Gbamin obviously injuring himself!!!1

State of people on here when we lose man.

Also Dave doesn't like him, so it's obvious we should keep DCL here AT ALL COSTS.
 
DualityNSNO said:
There's a huge debate for this and it's down to, believe it or not, better conditions for everything from a young age. Hear me out here, as it is a long read for something that won't get read anyway.

Basically, if we take the NBA as an example (as there's more statistical data there because America) - see players back in the day and how they lived and trained. Other than obvious outliers like Jordan etc. they were never under the pressure to play that hard since they were 15-16. No rigours on every single muscle group, no personal training to the same extent, diet was always different and no one gave a crap.

Things became much more commercialised and with a lot more money to be made in this, teams/players started 'taking care' of their bodies and wanting more and more and more out of players from early on, to the extent of getting out of high school/college already well built and muscular. Sure, that means they'd be better instantly (at least physically, no replacement for skill obviously), but the toll on the bones and muscles during periods of growth always come back to bite them a few years down the line. Currently, off the top of my head, only Jordan and LeBron are the ones that have avoided this consistently - MJ through amazing and focused body work stretched over a few seasons, intensely only during one summer, and then retaining that same build. LeBron stopped bulking a long time ago, but he's also a literal freak of nature. Nowadays you see players who are much bigger and have a wide array of skills... at, like, 18 to 22. Jordan did this when he was 27 or so, already a few years in the league. Currently there are many players who make the league but retire early or never live up because of season ending injuries (ACL tears and, similar to Dom, many muscle injuries, especially quad/calf/knee) and don't play for literally a full season or two before they get going.

Then you have Charles Barkley, nicknamed "The Round Mound of Rebound", who is famous for being great but also taking 0 care of his body. Much like most people from that age.

Then from a more recent time you have Shaq - entered the league age 20, literally bulldozing people as he was built like, well, a bulldozer. There was obviously the fact he's also freakish in his physique, but people thought that this is what peak basketball is, so this is still the rule to this day - big and muscular from age 18 onwards.

It's pretty much the same in football currently, and DCL age 20-21 had impressive muscles built on a large frame - these things take their toll quickly. I mean, I've not had his work ethic or opportunities for training and I got similar injuries to him back when I played, age 16-17, and didn't recover for ages as well, as it always hurts when you run, even if you can walk.

That said, I think he's just in a poor run of form and he's actually a bit crap when the going gets tough, which is weird for someone who came in and showed desire to run himself into the ground. Which also highlights the above-mentioned thing.

Anyway, people in here will blame him for getting injured. Imagine.
I personally blamed Jagielka and Arteta so bad when they had those long injuries. Gomes obviously wanted his leg broken, shocking he's not come back the same player. Don't get me started on Gbamin obviously injuring himself!!!1

State of people on here when we lose man.

Also Dave doesn't like him, so it's obvious we should keep DCL here AT ALL COSTS.
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Mate, I did read that in full, thanks.

How many games did Andy Gray, Sharp. Ratcliffe, Steven, Stevens, etc miss it in their careers all of whom put their bodies on the line every game.

Sorry to disagree and I won't start with GAA where you are left on the ground unless you literally can't get up. They play for zero money.

I have had ligaments and achilles injuries when I played, which had me on crutches, but I tried to get back as soon as I could.

Just fed up with Everton's perpetual sick list while they continue to collect more in a week than most of us would in two years - certainly that's the case with my wife and daughter.
 
Bluerover said:
Mate, I did read that in full, thanks.

How many games did Andy Gray, Sharp. Ratcliffe, Steven, Stevens, etc miss it in their careers all of whom put their bodies on the line every game.

Sorry to disagree and I won't start with GAA where you are left on the ground unless you literally can't get up. They play for zero money.

I have had ligaments and achilles injuries when I played, which had me on crutches, but I tried to get back as soon as I could.

Just fed up with Everton's perpetual sick list while they continue to collect more in a week than most of us would in two years - certainly that's the case with my wife and daughter.
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Thanks then, I suppose!

Well, that's what I meant - they were asked to perform and they did, the training wasn't "hitting the weights and running a bleeding marathon" every day, kind of thing, as that does make you, in theory, more prepared, but also if a small injury hit you it feels devastating.

As someone who's also had injuries like you (not this severe, mind) I've been left unable to move by dumb things in my most prepared days, when I went to run every day, ball work every day, than when I did when I had a lot of school/uni prep work to do and just half-arsed it during the week and played on the day and was fine for ages lol Ironic turn of things, really, and there's papers and science behind that but I can't be arsed finding it, honestly lol Easy google away if you're up for it, decent clips on youtube as well.

I'm annoyed as well, but no one gets injured on purpose. Shame about the money in it, absolutely, and same, but it's not them who chose to be injured, as anyone knows. A lot of bad luck realistically as we have a lot of injuries (somehow, still less than Leeds...?!) currently, and have had crap luck all season, but it's not like DCL or anyone goes and decided to randomly get a surgery or have pain in the leg like

Also, some of those have had plenty horrible injuries - Gray I believe was plenty sick while playing and had many operations on his knees as well I believe.
 

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