Donald Trump for President Thread

[joey_macmo]

Wow it's all got pretty desperate in this thread, mirroring the relevant campaigns quite accurately.

"Race baiting denial" indeed

 

[LinekersLegs]

Clinton campaign manager talks how they incite violence and commit voter fraud. Said man is sacked.

Nice way to avoid the question - how do you scale this supposed scheme up to win a state let alone the country?

 

[RaleighBlue]

What's racist about ensuring one (wo)man one vote?

Because the methods of doing so target poor minorities.

Poor minorities are far less likely to have an ID. Poor minorities are more likely to live far away from a voting station, and thus are more reliant on early voting. Poor minorities are less likely to be able to wait in 5-6 hour lines on voting day (because they work multiple jobs and are on the verge of not being able to afford life).

So when you institute voter id laws as we have - you are FAR, FAR more likely to cause 1 man 0 votes than 1 man 1 vote...it becomes 1 middle+ class (wo)man 1 vote.

 

[RaleighBlue]

They why talk about doing it? Why sack him? Sorry for taking it from the horses mouth when I could use a 2 year old article instead.

Erm.

If he's lying - you sack him.

If he's telling the truth - you sack him.

The sacking indicates nothing.

 

[dandydan]

Because the methods of doing so target poor minorities.

Poor minorities are far less likely to have an ID. Poor minorities are more likely to live far away from a voting station, and thus are more reliant on early voting. Poor minorities are less likely to be able to wait in 5-6 hour lines on voting day (because they work multiple jobs and are on the verge of not being able to afford life).

So when you institute voter id laws as we have - you are FAR, FAR more likely to cause 1 man 0 votes than 1 man 1 vote...it becomes 1 middle+ class (wo)man 1 vote.

Surely they need some form of ID to work these multiple jobs?

 

[RaleighBlue]

Surely they need some form of ID to work these multiple jobs?

No. They don't. Especially in small towns, most of these jobs are under the table. And you don't need a driver's license to get a job.

 

[dandydan]

Erm.

If he's lying - you sack him.

If he's telling the truth - you sack him.

The sacking indicates nothing.

Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. Why sack a bloke who's done nothing wrong? He could take them to the cleaners.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Gonna have to do better than that to convince me. Why sack a bloke who's done nothing wrong? He could take them to the cleaners.

Other than harm the campaign he's working for on video?

If he's lying, he's an untrustworthy employee that is actively harming the people paying for his salary.

If he's being honest, you sack him because he gave the game away.

You can draw no conclusions from his sacking unless you have drawn the conclusion before that evidence.

As for taking them to the cleaners. Depends on the state. If he's Right to Work, he can't do anything.

 

[dandydan]

No. They don't. Especially in small towns, most of these jobs are under the table. And you don't need a driver's license to get a job.

So how do we know they are able to legally vote? Surely there is some check? And why should I sympathise with someone working for backhanders and not paying tax?

 

[joey_macmo]

And why should I sympathise with someone working for backhanders and not paying tax?

I can think of one person not paying tax who you seem to sympathise with quite a lot

 

[RaleighBlue]

So how do we know they are able to legally vote? Surely there is some check? And why should I sympathise with someone working for backhanders and not paying tax?

They are citizens of the United States. They do not require an identification to live here, and do not require an identification to vote. It's a fundamental right granted by our constitution.

I feel like you have no idea how this country was designed to work. You are speaking on a topic that you are incredibly under educated on, I suggest you go read a bit on the underlying framework and ideals of the U.S. before going off on a rant about voter fraud.

I have said my piece and am now done with this argument. You are wrong. Your opinion is wrong. And opinions like it are precisely the problem with the direction that America is headed. You are actively encouraging the suppression of disenfranchised political opposition under a cloud of misunderstanding and fear.

You do not have any idea how some of our populace lives, and yet you want to make it more difficult for them to perform a basic right of their birth.

 

[longers]

rekt

 

[dandydan]

I can think of one person not paying tax who you seem to sympathise with quite a lot

And all above board thanks to the Clinton administration

 

[dandydan]

They are citizens of the United States. They do not require an identification to live here, and do not require an identification to vote. It's a fundamental right granted by our constitution.

I feel like you have no idea how this country was designed to work. You are speaking on a topic that you are incredibly under educated on, I suggest you go read a bit on the underlying framework and ideals of the U.S. before going off on a rant about voter fraud.

I have said my piece and am now done with this argument. You are wrong. Your opinion is wrong. And opinions like it are precisely the problem with the direction that America is headed. You are actively encouraging the suppression of disenfranchised political opposition under a cloud of misunderstanding and fear.

You do not have any idea how some of our populace lives, and yet you want to make it more difficult for them to perform a basic right of their birth.

Really? Sounds like a system open to abuse to me. Anybody from anywhere could tip up and vote.

 

[LinekersLegs]

And all above board thanks to the Clinton administration

Well we don't actually know that since we haven't seen Trump's tax records and surprisingly Wikileaks seems more interested in Podesta's risotto recipes.