Donald Trump for President Thread

[RaleighBlue]

Stating the obvious, but this is the single doctrine upon which the American identity and American politics are based. That's why the pro-choice and gun-control lobby protect their interests so vehemently (often opposed, and unable to see the perspective of the other side, which often is remarkably similar to their own). But doctrine is also a cultural good, and not accepted by all cultures, much less all Western cultures. To say that many Eastern cultures reject the idea of individual identity/protection is a false premise; many simply cannot begin from a cultural starting place to reach that statement.

So while I agree with you regarding American culture/politics, it is a cultural construct and probably not a rule, as you seem to be applying it here.

Not applying it as a rule at all. Applying it as MY rule. It's where my feelings regarding how we should legislate discrimination stem from. I also posit that underneath the edifice of individualism, the vast majority of the social conservative movement live in violation of that rule that through their support of the 2nd Amendment and their hatred of taxes they vocally support. However, a social conservative movement, by definition, pushes people to join the present tribe as it exists, rather than accepting that people want other tribes or to live outside of their own.

A social conservative movement, fundamentally has a problem with individuals living their lives as they see fit. I just find that an interesting observation regarding the same group that so lauds American individualism.

I would argue East Asian cultures are largely socially conservative.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Stating the obvious, but this is the single doctrine upon which the American identity and American politics are based. That's why the pro-choice and gun-control lobby protect their interests so vehemently (often opposed, and unable to see the perspective of the other side, which often is remarkably similar to their own). But doctrine is also a cultural good, and not accepted by all cultures, much less all Western cultures. To say that many Eastern cultures reject the idea of individual identity/protection is a false premise; many simply cannot begin from a cultural starting place to reach that statement.

So while I agree with you regarding American culture/politics, it is a cultural construct and probably not a rule, as you seem to be applying it here.

The more people you import without teaching and integrating them to the existing culture the more the culture will change to the one from the people came from.

America's focus on the individual is the reason for all the social "progress" they champion. If the society is elevated above the individual we would never have had that progress because there would be no need. It's a shame the left don't see the damage they are doing to the very thing which has allowed them to create the very society they are proud of.

 

[wm02]

The reality is that neither side (or party) has all of the wisdom or is right on every issue.

 

[Harryflashman]

Trump made few crackers at the roast. Very entertaining. Both candidates had pretty awkward moments innit too tbf.

Thought he made a couple of crackers , genuinely funny then misjudged the room badly . Not unlike the debates , he does well in pieces for me , sometimes really well then lets himself down . Clinton is more your solid performer in my opinion .

 

[MartyMcFly]

Thought he made a couple of crackers , genuinely funny then misjudged the room badly . Not unlike the debates , he does well in pieces for me , sometimes really well then lets himself down . Clinton is more your solid performer in my opinion .

That's because she's scripted. Nothing she says hasn't gone through a polling group.

 

[LinekersLegs]

http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/fea...cmullin-by-one-point-among-likely-utah-voters
Donald Trump has a slim one-point lead over independent candidate Evan McMullin among likely voters in Utah. Democrat Hillary Clinton is in third place.

The survey, commissioned by UtahPolicy.com, is the third straight survey of Utah showing McMullin has either caught or passed the GOP nominee in usually rock-solid Republican Utah.

Donald Trump gets 30% in the poll, followed by McMullin at 29%. Hillary Clinton is at 25%. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has fallen to 4% after polling as high as 16% in Utah. Green Party nominee Jill Stein and Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle each get 1%. 5% mentioned some other candidate, and 4% are undecided.

 

[wm02]

Feel the McMullin

 

[mezzrow]

http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/fea...cmullin-by-one-point-among-likely-utah-voters
Donald Trump has a slim one-point lead over independent candidate Evan McMullin among likely voters in Utah. Democrat Hillary Clinton is in third place.

The survey, commissioned by UtahPolicy.com, is the third straight survey of Utah showing McMullin has either caught or passed the GOP nominee in usually rock-solid Republican Utah.

Donald Trump gets 30% in the poll, followed by McMullin at 29%. Hillary Clinton is at 25%. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson has fallen to 4% after polling as high as 16% in Utah. Green Party nominee Jill Stein and Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle each get 1%. 5% mentioned some other candidate, and 4% are undecided.

I wish I could vote for McMullin, but...

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/16/evan-mcmullin-gratuitously-denied-ballot

Republicans and Democrats kick third-party candidates in the face for the same reason dogs lick their nether-bits: because they can. Getting onto state ballots as a third-party candidate in this context is downright heroic, which is one of many reasons why the criteria for at least the initial presidential debate should be jumping through enough of the duopoly's hoops to at least be a mathematical possibility in getting 270 Electoral College votes.

Debate Commission Board Member Mitch Daniels is right: "This is awfully important," particularly for those still clinging to the old structures. At some point, power-leaking duopolies who definitionally hate their customers wake up to see what happens when the little people finally control their own destinies. It rarely ends well.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

Any evidence to back your claims?

You're talking in absolutes again @Adversus/@Cypher

I love the way he keeps ignoring this even though his join date is the day after he got banned from the other forum, and spouts the exact same nonsense

 

[LinekersLegs]

I wish I could vote for McMullin, but...

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/16/evan-mcmullin-gratuitously-denied-ballot

Republicans and Democrats kick third-party candidates in the face for the same reason dogs lick their nether-bits: because they can. Getting onto state ballots as a third-party candidate in this context is downright heroic, which is one of many reasons why the criteria for at least the initial presidential debate should be jumping through enough of the duopoly's hoops to at least be a mathematical possibility in getting 270 Electoral College votes.

Debate Commission Board Member Mitch Daniels is right: "This is awfully important," particularly for those still clinging to the old structures. At some point, power-leaking duopolies who definitionally hate their customers wake up to see what happens when the little people finally control their own destinies. It rarely ends well.

Aye, think McMullin winning Utah would give a lot of life to third party politics which I generally believe would be healthy for the country as a whole.

 

[ilikecheese]

The more people you import without teaching and integrating them to the existing culture the more the culture will change to the one from the people came from.

America's focus on the individual is the reason for all the social "progress" they champion. If the society is elevated above the individual we would never have had that progress because there would be no need. It's a shame the left don't see the damage they are doing to the very thing which has allowed them to create the very society they are proud of.

What specific damage are you talking about?

 

[verreauxi]

I didn't expect to find this type of perspective in this online venue (I don't agree with all of it, but it is pretty interesting):

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

 

[N.S.N.O.]

Not ideal to have the head of your ground game backout this close to the election.

Wait what?!.....Trump's campaign actually had a political director this whole time

 

[LinekersLegs]

Wait what?!.....Trump's campaign actually had a political director this whole time

This may be him in a few months time

 

[joey_macmo]

I love the way he keeps ignoring this even though his join date is the day after he got banned from the other forum, and spouts the exact same nonsense

He should make it harder next time and throw in a few curve balls.

Instead he just puts up links to brietbart straight away and makes it boring for the rest of us