Doping in Premier League

[JelavicBrate2]

Do you believe doping exists in current game? Personally I believe RS and City have been doping, or have found some other performance enhancing material to improve their intensity in games. I find it strange that RS and City seem to have exactly same pattern of form, where they are world beaters 1 season, challenging for 4 trophies, then next season look useless, despite having exactly the same players and manager. RS, went from challenging for four trophies in 2021/2022, to finishing 5th and getting nearly 30 points less, than previous season, with exactly the same players.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

We've had more than our fair share of dope........s

 

[Eggs]

…where there’s lots of money, there’s usually cheating.

If it’s happening, I suspect it might be more individual player generated than club generated because I’d think ex-players with a grievance would spill the beans.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Do you believe doping exists in current game? Personally I believe RS and City have been doping, or have found some other performance enhancing material to improve their intensity in games. I find it strange that RS and City seem to have exactly same pattern of form, where they are world beaters 1 season, challenging for 4 trophies, then next season look useless, despite having exactly the same players and manager. RS, went from challenging for four trophies in 2021/2022, to finishing 5th and getting nearly 30 points less, than previous season, with exactly the same players.

Doping & PEDS, yes. Absolutely it's in the game just like it's in other sports. I guess the question is how it divides between what is clearly illegal/unethical and what is within the rules (even if a slightly bent version of the rules.) Wasn't there news that most of that lot's players are on asthma medicine? Much like Nike's professional track squad in Oregon*--all suffering from asthma as well.

To your comment on performance, that really has nothing to do with doping. Sometimes results are good and sometimes they're bad. Doping should raise the ceiling or consistency of results but I don't see how irregularity is evidence of performance enhancement.

*Former; I believe Salazar's squad was disbanded entirely and there's a new Nike group

 

[Tigger]

The fact they are all on inhalers tells you all you need to know. But im sure they are not the only ones.

 

[Rita_Poon]

…where there’s lots of money, there’s usually cheating.

If it’s happening, I suspect it might be more individual player generated than club generated because I’d think ex-players with a grievance would spill the beans.

Players under the same agent, signed to gagging orders, specialist doctor (see one 'michele ferrari' and EPO). EPO that was specialist medication in the early 80's. Eventually added to the banned substance list at Olympics in 2000 iirc. Ruined a generation of cycling (although it was amazing to watch).

Also, see the state sponsored doping ban russia copped about 12 years ago? If there had been a role out at national level, would fifa/uefa have caught it?

It only takes one designer drug (usually military) to make it past detection for it to become very common. When testers don't know it's there, they aren't looking for it.

 

[Vaughan]

absolutely

if it happens in the likes of cycling and athletics were the prize money for winning the diamond league is less than michael keane’s weekly wages then its going to happen in a multi billion dollar industry

of course the affect of peds is a lot higher for a physical based sport than a predominantly skilled based sport, but still. if a player can perform at the same level at 80 minutes that a non doped player would till 60 then it makes a huge difference

only need to look at the likes of Ronaldo and Bale’s physical transformations at Real as more evidence

 

[Moonlight dribble]

I do not believe that footballers with the capacity to earn 100's of thousands per week would dope.

It only happens in shot put, cycling and swimming with athletes from small countries.

 

[COYBL25]

The fact they are all on inhalers tells you all you need to know. But im sure they are not the only ones.

Mate, I use an inhaler for exerise, as I suffer from exercise induced asthma.

All it does is open your lungs up a bit, so you can breathe in more and get more oxygen into your body.

It doesn`t give increased stamina or anything like that.

Plus, with it being a steroid, you can`t be puffing on it all day, as it wouldn`t serve any purpose, as once you`re lungs are open, they`re not going to open any more and also misuse could cause terrible long term damage to your lungs.

I wouldn`t really call it doping as such, which I`m guessing why it`s not banned.

It`s not like taking stimulants or other stuff that enhances stamina and recovery.

 

[cocklord]

We have had a huge amount of dopes at the club over the last few years.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Mate, I use an inhaler for exerise, as I suffer from exercise induced asthma.

All it does is open your lungs up a bit, so you can breathe in more and get more oxygen into your body.

It doesn`t give increased stamina or anything like that.

Plus, with it being a steroid, you can`t be puffing on it all day, as it wouldn`t serve any purpose, as once you`re lungs are open, they`re not going to open any more and also misuse could cause terrible long term damage to your lungs.

I wouldn`t really call it doping as such, which I`m guessing why it`s not banned.

It`s not like taking stimulants or other stuff that enhances stamina and recovery.

Reckon reliever and preventer might mask certain other steroids?

 

[Nyhus]

Mate, I use an inhaler for exerise, as I suffer from exercise induced asthma.

All it does is open your lungs up a bit, so you can breathe in more and get more oxygen into your body.

It doesn`t give increased stamina or anything like that.

Plus, with it being a steroid, you can`t be puffing on it all day, as it wouldn`t serve any purpose, as once you`re lungs are open, they`re not going to open any more and also misuse could cause terrible long term damage to your lungs.

I wouldn`t really call it doping as such, which I`m guessing why it`s not banned.

It`s not like taking stimulants or other stuff that enhances stamina and recovery.

Im confused, if your body is capable of absorbing more oxygen how does that not have a positive effect on edurance? It might only be a slight bit, but a slight bit can be the advantage needed in a very competative field.

 

[COYBL25]

Reckon reliever and preventer might mask certain other steroids?

Genuinely no idea, if they can, I`ve never heard of it ?

Edit - just looked it up, three are allowed and four aren`t - includes all sports.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Im confused, if your body is capable of absorbing more oxygen how does that not have a positive effect on edurance? It might only be a slight bit, but a slight bit can be the advantage needed in a very competative field.

more oxygen absorption per unit say is more similar to epo where more red blood cells are produced so more oxygen can be carried and used. opening the bronchiole via inhaled steroid reduces inflammation alleviating the risk of asthma attack whilst preventer lessens the likelihood of triggers like pollen and pollution from initiating the inflammation in the first place. So the inhalers are more treating and preventing the symptoms of the underlying condition. It's not the wonder drug swallow a canister of the stuff and outsprint Usain Bolt just like that. Improved pulmonary will improve performance, but that's more a high fitness and lung efficiency aspect. I think.

 

[COYBL25]

more oxygen absorption per unit say is more similar to epo where more red blood cells are produced so more oxygen can be carried and used. opening the bronchiole via inhaled steroid reduces inflammation alleviating the risk of asthma attack whilst preventer lessens the likelihood of triggers like pollen and pollution from initiating the inflammation in the first place. So the inhalers are more treating and preventing the symptoms of the underlying condition. It's not the wonder drug swallow a canister of the stuff and outsprint Usain Bolt just like that. Improved pulmonary will improve performance, but that's more a high fitness and lung efficiency aspect. I think.

Also, from what I`ve just read, every single sportsperson, no matter what the sport, is legally allowed to use three types of inhaler.

Which means if the Everton sports science dept thought they would be beneficial, our players could use them if we so wished.